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#984

Yeah, all of that tracks with general trends, although the charts aren’t necessarily valuable without knowing how they source their playlists.

Popular musical tastes are shaped by Spotify as much as anything these days.


#985

Technically, supposedly, with Triple J it’s a listener vote - twenty years ago they got 500,000 votes, nowadays it’s over two million. It’s going to lean alternative/Pitchfork because that’s just how Triple J works, but a “mainstream” artist like Post Malone still scored a few spots this year.


#986

Isn’t the “Indie” genre (if they mean stuff like Maroon 5, Coldplay, Imagine Dragons, Death Cab for Cutie, Black Keys) pretty much a subgenre of “Rock?”

Taken that way, then the chart looks incredibly stable, with “Rap” generally increasing its share against the other genres, does it not?


#987

How dare you put Death Cab in that list :rage:


#988

I’d need to interrogate what they mean by “indie” as opposed to “rock” - as is tradition Triple J’s sister station Double J played the Hottest 100 from 20 years ago the following day (on Monday), which in the chart above was a banner year for “rock”. The Black Keys I think would count as “rock” - their “Lonely Boy” polled very well in whatever year that was from.

(And this station would never play Maroon 5 or Imagine Dragons, and probably stopped playing Coldplay after their second album.)

For what it’s worth here’s the 98 list:

100 Sich Offnen Not from There Australia
99 Saturation The Superjesus Australia
98 Baker Street Foo Fighters United States
97 Black Umbrella Even Australia
96 Redneck Wonderland Midnight Oil Australia
95 Tropicalia Beck United States
94 Perfect The Smashing Pumpkins United States
93 Untitled Silverchair Australia
92 The Ballad of Tom Jones Space with Cerys Matthews United Kingdom
91 Benedict Jebediah Australia
90 No Substitute Chef United States
89 Special Garbage United States
88 Wishlist Pearl Jam United States
87 Push It Garbage United States
86 Mama’s Trippin’ Ben Harper United States
85 Harpoon Something for Kate Australia
84 Good Riddance (Time of Your Life) Green Day United States
83 Now and Then The Superjesus Australia
82 El President Drugstore United Kingdom
81 Drinking in L.A. Bran Van 3000 Canada
80 Bad Old Man Babybird United Kingdom
79 Don’t Go Away Grinspoon Australia
78 Shimmer Fuel United States
77 Fuel Metallica United States
76 Saint Joe on the School Bus Marcy Playground United States
75 Dragula Rob Zombie United States
74 My Hero Foo Fighters United States
73 Music Sounds Better with You Stardust France
72 Mr. Charisma Frenzal Rhomb Australia
71 Hello Happyland Australia
70 If You Tolerate This… Manic Street Preachers United Kingdom
69 Cinnamon Lip Pollyanna Australia
68 Every Day Should Be a Holiday The Dandy Warhols United States
67 The Unforgiven II Metallica United States
66 No Shelter Rage Against the Machine United States
65 Rumble You Am I Australia
64 Come On Spring Antenna Australia
63 The Rockafeller Skank Fatboy Slim United Kingdom
62 Gone Away The Offspring United States
61 Cry The Mavis’s Australia
60 Untouchable Face Ani DiFranco United States
59 History Repeating Propellerheads and Shirley Bassey United Kingdom
58 I Don’t Like It Pauline Pantsdown Australia
57 I Think I’m Paranoid Garbage United States
56 Charlie No. 3 The Whitlams Australia
55 No Surprises Radiohead United Kingdom
54 Mum Changed the Locks Frenzal Rhomb Australia
53 Father of Mine Everclear United States
52 The Grouch Green Day United States
51 Given to Fly Pearl Jam United States
50 It’s Like That Run–D.M.C. vs. Jason Nevins United States
49 Malibu Hole United States
48 Road Rage Catatonia United Kingdom
47 Do the Evolution Pearl Jam United States
46 Don’t Wanna Be Left Out Powderfinger Australia
45 Ava Adore The Smashing Pumpkins United States
44 The Dope Show Marilyn Manson United States
43 Melbourne The Whitlams Australia
42 Teflon Jebediah Australia
41 Pure Morning Placebo United Kingdom
40 Song for the Dumped Ben Folds Five United States
39 Somebody Kill Me Adam Sandler United States
38 The Impression That I Get The Mighty Mighty Bosstones United States
37 Buy Now Pay Later (Charlie No. 2) The Whitlams Australia
36 Whatareya? TISM Australia
35 Flagpole Sitta Harvey Danger United States
34 One Week Barenaked Ladies Canada
33 Sweater Eskimo Joe Australia
32 Black Bugs Regurgitator Australia
31 Throw Your Arms Around Me Paul McDermott Australia
30 Never There Cake United States
29 Everybody Here Wants You Jeff Buckley United States
28 Don’t You Know Who I Am? Happyland Australia
27 I Like Your Old Remix Better Than Your New Remix Regurgitator Australia
26 Polyester Girl Regurgitator Australia
25 Intergalactic Beastie Boys United States
24 Music Is Crap Custard Australia
23 Teardrop Massive Attack United Kingdom
22 Black Friday Grinspoon Australia
21 Sex and Candy Marcy Playground United States
20 Simultaneous Chef United States
19 Bubblegoose Wyclef Jean United States
18 Just Ace Grinspoon Australia
17 Tainted Love The Living End Australia
16 Addicted to Bass Josh Abrahams and Amiel Daemion Australia
15 Second Solution The Living End Australia
14 Josie Blink-182 United States
13 Doctor Worm They Might Be Giants United States
12 Brick Ben Folds Five United States
11 Sweetest Thing U2 Ireland
10 Save the Day The Living End Australia
9 Heavy Heart You Am I Australia
8 The Day You Come Powderfinger Australia
7 Harpoon Jebediah Australia
6 ! (The Song Formerly Known As) Regurgitator Australia
5 Got the Life Korn United States
4 Celebrity Skin Hole United States
3 Girls Like That (Don’t Go For Guys Like Us) Custard Australia
2 Cigarettes Will Kill You Ben Lee Australia
1 Pretty Fly (For a White Guy) The Offspring United States


#989

Never heard of this but I admire the title


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I just heard an off-the-cuff remark that ran something like “In the 1990s the headliners at Glastonbury were all from the 1990s, in the current decade the headliners are all from the… 1990s.” Not expecting this to be true, I checked here:

… and, yeah, it’s mostly true:

1995 - Oasis, Pulp
1997 - Radiohead, The Progidy, Ash

2015 - The Who
2017 - Radiohead, Foo Fighters

What’s wrong with this decade? :confused:

There are exceptions. They had Kanye recently. But as a general trend, it’s true. Glastonbury has gone from being cutting edge to being a nostalgia fest. IS this true across all festivals? (A quick check of Download shows System of a Down – a 90s band – headlined Download last year. T in the Park had the Stone Roses and Red Hot Chilli Peppers in 2016, and TRNSMT (apparently the new branding for T in the Park, great job there marketing guys :confused: ) has had Radiohead, Stereophonics, Liam Gallagher and Queen.)


#997

The biggest US festival, Coachella, is headlined by Childish Gambino, Tame Impala, and Ariana Grande. In fact, out of the 30 or so acts on the next level, only two (Weezer and Aphex Twin) are 90s holdovers. Bonnaroo, one of the big east coast festivals, is anchored by Phish (a 90s act though one with a massive youth following today) and the rest of the headliners are all newer acts: Childish Gambino, Post Malone, Odesza, The Lumineers, Carbi B, and so on.

Although this is the first year they’ve done this. I think they just ran out of nostalgia acts, and had some negative feedback on a few in recent years. This decade arguably has no massive, festival-anchoring rock acts, aside from Tame Impala. I guess the 1975 and Alabama Shakes might be getting there. I guess if you want to count Bruno Mars rock (he sort of is).


#998

UK festivals are really suffering on this. Just bands don’t come up the festival circuit the way they used to for some reason.


#999

I think it’s likely priced out the kids and I do see when tickets are released that my 40 something friends are applying.

It is interesting with Robert’s Coachella lineup I did also see a couple of my US based friends comment on ‘who the hell are these bands?’ which really is probably as it should be.


#1000

You want a list? No? Okay, the music sucks. It’s mostly shallow and venal, depending on a repeated beat or hook. Mind, that’s what’s being sold to us in what I’m thinking of as “the Grammy market”. Grammys were on last night, I recognized two names. I like music. I’m open to music. We are in a long drought of ideas and songwriting skill. I can’t remember liking any pop song for the longest time. (Don’t like rap at all.)

And nobody hears indie music unless one goes and seeks specifics.

All the headliners in Denver this year seem to be septuagenarians. The Who, the Stones, Billy Joel, Santana and the Doobie Brothers (now, that’s a double bill!), Heart, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts and KISS. Younguns include Michael Bublé and Hugh Jackman, about a week before the Backstreet Boys. Oh, and Ariana Grande will come sing a relationship song in between tattoos.

The music industry is dead.


#1001

That’s a really good point. A bit of quick googling tells me:

Glastonbury ticket in 1994: £59
Glastonbury ticket in 2017: £248

£59 in 1994 should equal £111 in 2017, adjusted for inflation.

So in real terms, tickets have more than doubled in price. That’s quite phenomenal. I’ve seen tickets for the big name bands I follow creep up over the years, but nothing like that scale.


#1002

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#1003

Miqque if you are pumped for the Doobie Brothers and don’t know who Cardi B is, then I’m not sure you are the current target audience for the music industry.