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#723

I’ve listened to this a couple of time over the last few days/this weekend. Really good. Though now I’m a bit sad about the thought of no more Bowie.


#724

Diversity in Modern Society
#725

From the Wikipedia entry for that song:

The song has faced some criticism for the implication of its lyrics. Although some critical analyses of the song have highlighted parts of the lyrics such as “What’s in this drink?” and the wolf’s unrelenting pressure for the mouse to stay in spite of her repeated suggestions that she should go home, others have noted that cultural expectations of the time period were such that women were not socially permitted to spend the night with a boyfriend or fiancé, and that the mouse states that she wants to stay, while “What’s in this drink?” was a common idiom of the period used to rebuke social expectations by blaming one’s actions on the influence of alcohol.

In all the incarnations of this song that I have heard, I never got the impression that the drink was spiked or that the woman was in any danger. I heard it more along the lines of another Christmas song “Let It Snow”, wherein the singer is justifying why he should stay with his companion just a bit longer.

Then again, I’m not a woman, and don’t know how intimidating that “unrelenting pressure” would feel. I just hate the reality that now I cannot listen to Brian Setzer and Ann-Margret singing that song without wondering…


#726

I’ve always thought the song was a little creepy.


#727

Album of the year

  • “Invasion of Privacy,” Cardi B

  • “By the Way, I Forgive You,” Brandi Carlile

  • “Scorpion,” Drake

  • “H.E.R.,” H.E.R.

  • “Beerbongs & Bentleys,” Post Malone

  • “Dirty Computer,” Janelle Monae

  • “Golden Hour,” Kacey Musgraves

  • “Black Panther: The Album,” Featuring Kendrick Lamar

Record of the year

  • “I Like It,” Cardi B, Bad Bunny & J Balvin

  • “The Joke,” Brandi Carlile

  • “This is America,” Childish Gambino

  • “God’s Plan,” Drake

  • “Shallow,” Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper

  • “All The Stars,” Kendrick Lamar and SZA

  • “Rockstar,” Post Malone feat. 21 Savage

  • “The Middle,” Zedd, Maren Morris and Grey

Song of the year

  • “All The Stars,” Kendrick Duckworth, Mark Spears, Al Shuckburgh, Anthony Tiffith and Solana Rowe

  • “Boo’d Up,” Larrance Dopson, Joelle James, Ella Mai, and Dijon McFarlane

  • “God’s Plan,” Aubrey Graham, Daveon Jackson, Brock Korsan, Ron Latour, Matthew Samuels and Noah Shebib.

  • “In My Blood,” Teddy Geiger, Scott Harris, Shawn Mendes and Geoffrey Warburton

  • “The Joke,” Brandi Carlile, Dave Cobb, Phil Hanseroth and Tim Hanseroth

  • “The Middle,” Sarah Aarons, Jordan K. Johnson, Stefan Johnson, Marcus Lomax, Kyle Trewartha, Michael Trewartha and Anton Zaslavski

  • “Shallow,” Lady Gaga, Mark Ronson, Anthony Rossomando and Andrew Wyatt

  • “This Is America,” Donald Glover and Ludwig Göransson

Best R&B album

  • “Sex & Cigarettes,” Toni Braxton

  • “Good Thing,” Leon Bridges

  • “Honestly,” Lalah Hathaway

  • “H.E.R.” H.E.R.

  • “Gumbo Unplugged (Live),” PJ Morton

Best country album

  • “Unapologetically,” Kelsea Ballerini

  • “Port Saint Joe,” Brothers Osborne

  • “Girl Going Nowhere,” Ashley McBryde

  • “Golden Hour,” Kacey Musgraves

  • “Volume 2,” Chris Stapleton


#728

What’s the difference? :confused:


#729

Record is just a single.


#730

So can ‘song’ be either a single or album track?


#731

No idea mate, I don’t work here…


#732

You also can’t be Communist and support free market economics despite China and Vietnam still using the title for their parties. To be fair the Vietnamese themselves claim it is actually a ‘socialist-oriented market economy’ they have since the late 80s.

Having been to Vietnam several times the impression is that it’s more chaotic than oppressive. Nobody seemed restrained much in doing or saying anything and police/military presence was fairly absent compared to many countries I’ve been to like Egypt or the Philippines or pretty much anywhere in the middle east. It adds to the futility of the war that they’ve been seemingly generally quite benign since the communists won and unified the country. Their only military action was ousting a genocidal maniac from Cambodia and then handing the country to the UN to manage, so when I went to Cambodia they view the Vietnamese as heroes and flew their flags everywhere. They are members of the ASEAN trade group and viewed positively by their neighbours here.

Yes this post has nothing to do with music. Time for Ronnie to slap wrists. :wink:


#733

From what I’ve been told by people I know living in Vietnam, it’s bad times if you run afoul of the party, but the ways to do that are few.


#734

Yes, back on track or you’ll only be getting presents from Sump’n Claus this Christmas. :wink:


#735

That was my first thought, as there was a big overlap with “song”. But then I would have expected there to be a 100% overlap with song, so it doesn’t make sense.

Oh, hold on, Dave’s idea that a song can also be an album track makes more sense.


#736

Seems like we had this same discussion the last time the Grammy nominations came out. I haven’t found it yet though.


#737

Judging by the credits and nominations it looks like the record of the year is a single recorded track rather than an album and the song award is for the writers. They could make it simpler by just calling it ‘single’ rather than ‘record’ and ‘songwriting’ award rather than ‘song’.

Common sense never seems that common in awards listings though. :smile:


#738

From what I remember, it had something to do with it being set up back when everything was released on vinyl and the terminology went with how sales/popularity was tracked during that era.


#739

#740

Song of the Year goes to the best song, presumably based on lyrics and melody, not on performance and production. That’s why this award goes to the songwriter, not the artist or producer.


#741

Going back to this:

There’s this fellow’s input:

When asked whether he thinks the traditional idea of the music album is dead, Cohen said: “I know this is unpopular, but, you know, this business started as a singles business. And then someone said ‘Man, if we could pour a little more oil and get a bigger platter, we could sell more.’ It was a business move. It wasn’t like people said ‘Someone’s going to do The Wall one day so we better have a structure…’ No one anticipated Pink Floyd. I do believe we would’ve had more Zeppelin records had they not had to climb Mount Everest every year to produce masterpieces. I think this is a liberation moment for the artist. Listen: Why do you have to do an album? Unless you’re doing something like The Wall , drop some singles and keep it going.”

I don’t know why the advent of widespread music streaming is more of a line in the sand on this than iTunes and equivalent song by song sales though.


#742

Yeah, I mean, it’s one of those things that if you really look at it is quite disturbing:

I really can’t stay (but baby, it’s cold outside)
I’ve got to go away (but baby, it’s cold outside)>
This evening has been (been hoping that you’d drop in)
So very nice (i’ll hold your hands, they’re just like ice)>
My mother will start to worry (beautiful what’s your hurry?)
My father will be pacing the floor (listen to the fireplace roar)>
So really I’d better scurry (beautiful please don’t hurry)
But maybe just a half a drink more (put some records on while I pour)
The neighbors might think (baby, it’s bad out there)
Say what’s in this drink? (no cabs to be had out there)
I wish I knew how (your eyes are like starlight now)
To break this spell (i’ll take your hat, your hair looks swell)
> I ought to say, no, no, no sir (mind if I move in closer?)
> At least I’m gonna say that I tried (what’s the sense in hurtin’ my pride?)
> I really can’t stay (oh baby don’t hold out)
But baby, it’s cold outside
I simply must go (but baby, it’s cold outside)
> The answer is no (but baby, it’s cold outside)
Your welcome has been(how lucky that you dropped in)
So nice and warm (look out the window at this dawn)
My sister will be suspicious (gosh your lips look delicious)
My brother will be there at the door (waves upon the tropical shore)
My maiden aunts mind is vicious (gosh your lips are delicious)
But maybe just a cigarette more (never such a blizzard before)
> I’ve gotta get home(but baby, you’d freeze out there)
Say lend me a coat(it’s up to your knees out there)
You’ve really been grand (i thrill when you touch my hand)
But don’t you see? (how can you do this thing to me?)
There’s bound to be talk tomorrow (think of my lifelong sorrow)
At least there will be plenty implied (if you got pnuemonia and died)
I really can’t stay (get over that old out)
Baby, it’s cold
Baby, it’s cold outside

Of course it’s a song that is informed by the gender roles of the fifties and the then not uncommon view that it was a man’s job to “conquer” a woman. But even then, the way the speaker keeps pushing after the woman’s has clearly said “the answer is no” is disturbing.

Another song that I recently found I had never properly listened to was The Human League’s “Don’t You Want Me”. In this case, it’s entirely on purpose, but a song that I always thought was just some kind of love song turned out to actually be quite sinister.

(The video makes that quite clear, too, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen it.)