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#2054

Read the final draft of the Promethus script before he took over, compare it to the movie that got released and you can see this effect in action


#2055

Too much work, man! Too much work! Also, I haven’t even seen the ending of Prometheus, seeing as how I fell asleep watching it (only in part the movie’s fault though).


#2056

Take my word for it?


#2057

Done!

Wait, for what?! You just said I can “see that effect in action”! I presume that by that, you meant “You can see how somehow can see a well-constructed, clear ending to a story and completely muddle and obfuscate it to the point where the whole of the story doesn’t even make sense anymore”? That about right?


#2058

Eh, sure.


#2059

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#2060

I raise you:


#2061

Filth.


#2062

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That’s more of a climax than an ending.


#2063

It’s a stylistic choice.


#2064


#2066

Well, he can always hint through Rebirth and end up doing a crossover with the CW Shows…


#2067

Watchmen failed commercially?


#2068

It made $185M worldwide on a $130M budget.


#2069

Hmm. It also has had what 3 different DVD versions and sold the shit out of some Watchmen trades. I wouldn’t be surprised if more trades sold between the time the first trailer hit and the film’s release than the cumulative total before and after. It also carries a 65% “Fresh” rating on Rotten Tomatoes and B on CinemaScore. Ebert even gave it 4/5 stars. There are a lot of films that have done much more poorly that would be remembered as “cult hits” not failures on those terms.


#2070

Those aren’t very good scores. Anything under an A- on CinemaScore is basically a fail. It’s a silly metric.

Also, Ebert’s score was 4/4, he loved it. :slight_smile:

The film is rich enough to be seen more than once. I plan to see it again, this time on IMAX, and will have more to say about it. I’m not sure I understood all the nuances and implications, but I am sure I had a powerful experience. It’s not as entertaining as “The Dark Knight,” but like the “Matrix” films, LOTR and “The Dark Knight,” it’s going to inspire fevered analysis. I don’t want to see it twice for that reason, however, but mostly just to have the experience again.


#2071

Sorry mixed up the Ebert rating with another in what I was reading.

So do CinemaScore inflate their ratings? I thought it was on a A to F- scale. What does it take to get in the F range?

I still think it’s odd that Watchmen gets painted in terms that have more to do with people continuing to hold a grudge on Moore’s behalf even when they finally get what they said they wanted with a TV show. It was far from my favorite film but I thought Snyder did a great job with the source material.


#2072

Only 8 movies have ever gotten an F:

Here’s the 8 films, all time, with an “F” Cinema Score, and their Rotten Tomatoes score.

  1. Killing Them Softly (78%)
  2. Solaris (65%)
  3. Bug (61%)
  4. Wolf Creek (53%)
  5. Darkness (4%)
  6. The Box (45%)
  7. Silent House (41%)
  8. The Devil Inside (7%)

This article’s a good primer on CinemaScore:

One factor which could skew this survey method is the hype that comes with that aforementioned months-long marketing campaign. In the current era of franchise filmmaking and movies adapted from other sources, people who see a movie like Captain America: Civil War on its opening day are likely to give a great score if it’s any good. Sure enough, Civil War holds an A score.

This is evidenced by the particularly sensitive scale of superhero movies - Cinemascores were recently in the news when Batman V Superman got a B, a score that’s probably less than ideal but doesn’t sound terrible on paper, but was deemed to be a poor result.


#2073

That’s bizarre especially as two of the films were rated “Fresh” on RT. I don’t place a lot of faith in reviews except when they unanimously tend to the extremes. It’s why I like the RT scores as they are a composite score of multiple reviews. So only above 95% and below 20% on RT really change my interest in any film.


#2074

Dance, and I never even saw Dracula Untold.