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Star Wars: The Last Jedi - SPOILER discussion


#1424

Yes but you were born in 1925.


#1425

Ok, so there’s the murdering that admiral, but apart from that what has Vader ever done that’s bad?

Ok, there’s torturing the Princess.

Oh yeah, cutting Luke’s hand off.

Freezing Han in carbonite.

Yes all right but apart from murdering his admirals, torturing people, cutting his son’s hand off and freezing Han, what has Vader ever done that’s bad?

(Chorus of general agreement from the Vader Liberation Organisation)


#1426

I was actually sad at that.
During my rewatch I was like “aww no, he was trying his best through-out his short little scenes!”.

It’s like when Joker shot Bob the Henchman. You never want to see a somewhat capable minion die for no reason.


#1427

#1428

To be fair movies from the 40’s wouldn’t have compared to the technical marvels we were getting in the 80’s. The choice was mostly musicals, cowboy movies, Tarzan and crime movies. And Laurel and Hardy and other clownish acts. You probably loved the old Disney cartoons and all the Tom and Jerry/Bugs Bunny they would show. Even the 50’s movies are the kind of thing you really need to be an adult to appreciate. Having movies that target 8 year olds is a pretty recent thing.

This reminds me of that line in Infinity War where Spidey references that old movie Aliens.


#1429

Give Spidey a bit more credit, as per Civil War he at least goes back to 1980 and ESB.


#1430

Maybe so but how many any older films did we watch from previous decades as kids? You can move it up to the 60s and colour and special effects. Maybe Ben Hur and a Ray Harryhausen film on bank holiday.

There are a few classics but not many kids watched that stuff in the 80s. Wait and see, it is quite dispiriting when you put on the original Ghostbusters for a 9 year old and they really don’t care and prefer the new Jumanji movie by miles.

You’ll be as disappointed as my dad was when none of us gave a rat’s arse for David Lean’s Oliver Twist, and he was an extra in that. The new generation won’t love the original Star Wars trilogy, as much as we objectively think they are the best and want them to.


#1432

Well, like others have said, it’s clear that Snoke had also gotten to him at that point, already.

Of course, all of that story has become quite irrelevant because they killed off Snoke before he could become an interesting character in any way. That was one of the things where Johnson really wiped his arse with Abrams’ setup in the first movie.

You know, if this was a TV show, we’d get an episode chronicling Kylo’s early life and his turning to the dark side. I always like it when they take the time to focus on one character and work with flashbacks. I think Kylo convinces me as a character because I can easily see how that story would work, and it would be interesting to me to watch it. But on the other hand, you’re not wrong that what we do get is pretty contrived and maybe saved by Driver’s performance mainly.


#1434

Does anyone like Rey as much as I do?Like my post or reply my post let me know.^-^


#1435

Yeah I loved Rey as a character and Daisy Ridleys performance. One of the highlights of these movies.


#1436

Still haven’t seen it


#1437

You lucky, lucky man! :wink:


#1438

I don’t know about older Star Wars becoming dated. As long as kids are still watching older Disney movies, they’ll have time for older Star Wars. There are few enough older movies that will always interest new audiences. It doesn’t matter if they lavish obsessive devotion to them like we do. They’ll watch them.


#1439

All I’m saying is that in my experience a lot of ‘Star Wars dads’ like me and my friends have noticed when we proudly sit them down in anticipation of them having same experience they not only don’t have the same obsession (that’s understandable) they often wander off bored and don’t get past half way.


#1440

I just caught my kid (age 10) on his way to bed and asked him what his three favorite Star Wars movies are. He said:

  1. Empire Strikes Back
  2. The Last Jedi
  3. Return of the Jedi

There you have it.


#1441

This man is doing it right.


#1442

That’s probably true but here’s an anecdote:
My kid was born in 2002, her first Star Wars movie was ANH SE (I didn’t have the OOT yet) then ESB and ROTJ. She was about 4 and of course loved them. Then she saw the prequels loved them, then the clone wars…she became a total Star Wars kid. In 2012 I finally obtained an HD despecialized version of the OT. She was amazed at the difference and how it changed her view of the prequels without the “special” elements shoehorned in to try and tie the stories together (we only watch the OOT now). She’s 16 now and has developed more mature taste in films and how they’re made. In the last 5 years she’s come to really dislike the prequels and judges them pretty harshly from a technical film making stand point as well as the story and acting. When we moved and had to downsize she got rid of all her Star Wars toys except for the OT stuff, she’s pretty hard core about it.
After TLJ she has zero interest in any of the Disney Star Wars stuff (she’s still in love with Mark Hamill though! :wink: ). She found it poorly made and a poorly told story. Even though she has a strong nostalgia connection with the PT (she played Padme in our first fanfilm) she couldn’t sit through it a few months ago. Conversely we watched the OT 2 weeks ago and talked about each film at length afterwards. They’re just really well crafted, even ROTJ for the most part.
I think the prequels and clone wars lowered the bar and hit too hard on the “kids” target. That’s likely a big reason she out grew modern SW. It’s become a franchise that can’t stop to consider the integrity of story telling because there’s too much money to be made or lost. New fans growing up today won’t be wearing Rey or Finn shirts in 20 years, SW will be “that thing” I liked as a kid.

This is the best thing that came from TLJ being made! :wink:
https://youtu.be/0yOx5Znrbzg


#1443

The order you see them may be a difference, mine found Star Wars Rebels on their own first.

On The Last Jedi, personally I think it’ll be reappraised, the negative view is mainly the fault of the fans. :wink:


#1444

It might be reappraised but that wasn’t necessary for Star Wars 1977, I know TLJ has fans and made money but I don’t see it ever being “classic”.


#1445

I’m not even sure what the “classic” blockbusters of this era would be. There’s just too many of them and the sheer quantity makes them so disposable.

Not a reflection of my personal taste but maybe Fury Road, some of the Nolan stuff. I don’t know.