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#3396

For me

ROTJ
Empire
Hope
Rogue
Clone wars (not a popular choice clearly but I actually like it best of the prequels for the full on Jedi action at the end)
TPM (has its flaws but love the end sequence)
Awakens
TLJ (might improve on rewatch)
Sith - really just bloody awful


#3397

You mean Attack of the Clones? It certainly is the best of the prequels.; I saw it twice in cinema (the second time mainly out of boredom).

I’m biased by having seen Rogue One most recently - I loved that film. It’s just as enjoyable as much of the OT for me. It doesn’t really let up or get bogged down in anything boring. The designs are beautiful and although we didn’t know much about the characters, I wanted to so was saddened by their deaths.


#3398

One of us! One of us!


#3399

There are dozens of us! Dozens!


#3400

Let’s not get carried away there…


#3401

For me ANH is a perfect movie, and it has gone downhill ever since. TFA and TLJ are just a teensy bit better than Attack of the Clones and Sith, but not much.


#3402

Just that it’s a mess, and perhaps due to studio interference. I think it’s a pretty solid movie for a bit and starting with the sniper scene it becomes legitimately muddled and bad in a way that no other Star Wars film does. Even though most Star Wars films are kind of bad, none of the other ones go off the rails like that. Suicide Squad is the movie it reminds me the most of.

It has nothing to do with being “edgy”, although I guess there is a bit of that and I don’t think a Star Wars movie needed to be so grim (Sith is my least favorite).


#3403

The anthology movies should experiment with tone and genre or else there’s no point in making them. The grimness was fine with me as it made sense for the war story they were telling. As for being muddled, it’s no more muddled message-wise than Luke wanting to redeem Vader but being A-OK with slaughtering Stormtroopers and Jabba’s bodyguards. Rogue One’s ideas came through fine, same way the OT’s themes of hope and redemption came through. (Now that I think of it, I’d say the same’s true of TLJ.)

The edgy comment was solely about what I didn’t like about Suicide Squad. I don’t think Rogue One was trying to be edgy (it’s too melancholy for that) and didn’t think that’s why you compared the two.


#3404

I think the point is not to give in to aggression for aggression’s sake. When slaughtering stromtroopers and Jabbas guys he was fighting in self defense and for the life of his friends.

I haven’t seen Rogue One though so can’t judge on that.


#3405

I get that, but he didn’t go to nearly as much effort to avoid killing his other enemies. Saving his dad was as much personal as it was philosophical for him. If ROTJ came out today that would totally be picked apart as an inconsistency. I don’t think it matters, though–like I said, the OT’s themes are clear.


#3406

Luke knew he couldn’t defeat the Emperor without his fathers help, and he knew the Emperor would tear the galaxy and the Rebellion apart to find him.

In surrendering himself he gives himself up to be killed unless he can convince his father to turn. It’s a huge gamble and self sacrifice on Luke’s part. Redeeming Vader was neither political or philosophical, it was his only strategy.


#3407

This is an interesting take. As movie lines are becoming brands, and many different movies set in the same universe look to becoming commonplace (Potter, Star Wars, Marvel, DC and maybe we’ll see the same with Game of Thrones), the question is should these sister movies all be similar in tone or quite different. Can they appeal to different audiences, and is that a smart move or does it weaken the line?

I feel they should be the same, a dependable brand like we saw with animated movie lines for decades (Disney classics, Dreamworks, Pixar).


#3408

I think if they’re the same, then audiences will tire of them. There should be a recognizable Star Wars core to all the films; I’m not saying the movies need to be experimental to the point of being Star Wars in name only. But for this “one Star Wars movie a year” strategy to work, they’ve got to diversify their offerings. That’s what Marvel does, although I’d like Star Wars to take it even further as there’s more room in Star Wars for all sorts of genre fare. I’d love to see a Star Wars noir film. Ideally, that’s what an Obi-Wan solo movie would be–the Obi-Wan scenes from AOTC but with a better story.

These are good points, but I’m talking more about a character inconsistency than a tactical one. It was strategically sound to turn Vader as that’s what got rid of the Emperor, but there’s never the sense that Luke looks for the good in his other enemies. And his dad’s a genocidal despot, whereas the other people he kills are just grunts.

Now, I love the Vader/Luke scenes in ROTJ. Emotionally, they’re the high point of the entire series, new movies included. I think it’s clear what the OT was going for thematically and inconsistencies in how Luke sees his dad vs. how he sees other bad guys don’t add up to anything major. Which is how I see inconsistencies in Rogue One and TLJ.


#3409

There’s not many scenes to work with, but when he confronts Jabba he offers to pay for Solo and the Wookie first, rather than going in lightsaber blazing. He offers Jabba one last chance for peace when standing over the Sarlacc pit. And when he’s in Endor captured by the Ewoks and about to be put on a fire he uses his mind powers to subdue them rather than making Ewok shish kabob. Post Empire Strikes Back his strategy is typically peace first, war second.


#3410

There’s a CGI Clone Wars movie


#3411

Yes sorry. Attack of the clones. I’ve been watching clone wars on Disney life. So that stuck in my head.


#3412

Star Wars is already a very personal experience. Diversifying the range of stories and characters will increase that effect.

That’s quite visible already with Johnson taking (and leaving) things from Abrams and adding what mattered to him for ‘Last Jedi’. Say goodbye to Snoke and hello to Rose.

For audiences, we’ll just have to enjoy the bits we like and leave the rest. I don’t think that’s unreasonable, and we’ll have plenty to choose from.


#3413

The characters are about as thin as the average 80s action movie charaters, which seemed to be the tone it was going for. It was like watching Delta Navy Action Group 3: Seal Harder all over again.


#3414

I really can’t understand why people loved that so much. It looked stupid, but mostly it’s utterly out of charatcer.

Kicking ass with a lightsabre does not make one great.


#3415

It does make one awesome though. :sunglasses: