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Star Trekkin' Across the Universe: Discussing The Porgs


#541

Never has the term “damning with faint praise” been more relevant.


#542

You’ve really put me in the mood to watch Voyager now

I’m considering that his point halting my enforced watch of all of TOS, then the rest in chronological order (at least chronological in terms of when the first episode aired) and instead watching all of them at the same time, picking which one I’m in the mood for rather than forcing myself thru ToS and wishing I was watching Voyager instead.

Even the City at the Edge of Tomorrow is proving to be a chore to watch in one sitting


#543

First time anyone’s said that!

Kidding aside, With Netflix to hand I find I when I’m in the mood for Trek, I just pick a show, pick a series and find an episode I enjoyed. I did a rewatch of a lot of the arc episodes of DS9 in order, skipping the non-arc ones, but that’s understandable, I think.


#544

I was going to call bull on any holodeck episodes, but this one actually sounds fun.


#545

It kinda does


#546

It’s the exception that proves the rule of “All Voyager Holodeck episodes are shit”


#547

Tapestry Trivia!

So yeah, the episode is Star Trek does It’s A Wonderful Life, but the original plan was to do A Chritmas Carol (working title for the episode: A Q Carol), in which Q brings Picard through three prominent events from his life, including being stabbed here, and the events leading up to Jack Crusher’s death. Michael Piller wasn’t happy with the idea, so Ron Moore decided to focus on the stabbing, which was the idea with interested him the most.

None of the writers could remember who came up with the idea that kicks off the episode - of Picard dying, seeing a white space and Q is there - until they got a letter after the episode aired. Turns out the idea came from a spec script, and the writer wasn’t credited for the episode (Ron Moore is the only credited writer), but he was happy when the staff reached out to him, acknowledged his contribution and Paramount paid him. Jeri Taylor noted that the acknowledgement was far more important to him than the payment, and he was very pleased with how the TNG crew dealt with the situation.

The morning-after scene with Marta and Picard had content cut after filming, though JC Brandees (who played Marta) was pleased with this as she felt the dialogue made her out to be more self-pitying and didn’t fit the character. The script can be found here, and the scene is a special feature on the Blu-rays for series 6

One thing that did change from early drafts of the script was that the alternate timeline Enterprise’s commander would be Edward Jellico.

Some references: The Bonestell facility was named after matte painter Chesley Bonestell; The Nausicaans are named after the Hayao Miyazaki manga and anime Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind. Ironically, Patrick Stewart was in the cast of the 2005 dub of Nausicaa.

Continuity stuff:

Picard’s stabbing was first mentioned in the series 2 episode Samaritan Snare, though there the way he describes it infers that the fight took place during an initial encounter rather than a later meeting with the same group.

The DS9 episode Q-Less aired the prior week, ending with Q stating that perhaps he should give Picard a visit.

Picard is depicted as having hair while a young ensign in the episode, but in a photo in Star Trek Nemesis, he’d be shown as bald while still a cadet.

Peter David refers to this episode in two of his Q-centric Trek novels.

This is one of only five episodes of TNG that doesn’t have a stardate.

This episode is wildly popular with critics and fans. It’s number 4 in Entertianment Weekly’s top 10 TNG episodes (compiled for the show’s 20th anniversary), and was one of the ten essential episodes in the book Star Trek 101.

John DeLancie called out the script for specific praise, especially his speech towards the end, and Wil Wheaton says it’s his favourite episode of TNG, because it shows that the shitty things in life are important to who you are.

Michael Piller however never warmed to it. While he liked the basic premise of Picard dying and finding Q in the afterlife, he didn’t like the idea of doing an It’s a Wonderful Life episode, saying it’s something that shows do when they run out of ideas. Ron Moore noted that Piller gave him the freedom to do the episode the way he wanted even though he didn’t like it, and Moore appreciated that greatly.

Opinion:

This was an episode I loved when it first aired, but my memory largely stuck on the funny bits - I was always more of a fan of funny Q than jerkhole Q, so flowers for “John-Luck Pickerd” and Picard waking up next to Q were my brain highlights. And watching it again it strikes me how much more of the episode is about the drama, and about Picard’s self-discovery.

And as an adult pushing 40, it’s definitely more interesting to me now than the funny bits. Picard’s brash, womanising, scrappy ensign is part of the austere diplomat of the present, no matter how buried away it is. While contemporary Picard and flashback Corey fall out, the pair remain friends for many years as they age together. And that’s the core of the episode. As I noted above, Wil Wheaton said that this episode is about how the shitty things and the changes you don’t like are just as important as the good things and the changes you do like .

Like many of the TNG episodes we’ve talked about, I feel there are pacing issues here. Picard spends more time in the past, of course, but we have to get enough of the alternate present to give us Picard’s remorse at the changes to his life, and that means that as usual, the conclusion is given short shrift. Q just gives Picard his life back, done and dusted. Which leads me neatly to my next point…

Q is a very interesting character in terms of his personality and his actions. He first shows up as a pure antagonist, but by his third appearance he wasn’t a menace any more, he’s a point of comedy. When the contiunuum stripped him of his powers, he asked to be sent to Picard to live out his newly mortal life. By this point, he considers Picard a friend, maybe his best friend? Two out of Q’s next three appearances are in that friendly mold - the Robin Hood episode and this one. The other one is when he’s on a mission from the continuum and so can’t fuck around. With the idea of Q being here as a friend to Picard, that abrupt ending makes sense. It’s just that Q’s perspective on friendship is messed up.


#548

Finally got round to watching the last two episodes.

Critical analyses

Darmok:
F*cking class

Tapestry:
F*cking class

Summary

  1. ST:TNG is f*cking class.
  2. No story is really original, so ‘doing’ an It’s a Wonderful Life or a Gilgamesh is perfectly acceptable if it’s f*cking class.
  3. John de Lancie is f*cking class.
  4. Patrick Stewart was roughly my age at the time of these two episodes, so
  5. The closing exchange between Picard and Q was particularly personally salient: “[career] never came into focus… drifted… no plan, no agenda… one assignment after another… never seizing the opportunities that presented themselves.”
  6. Oh God, I’m going to kill myself.

#549

Is this so Q will scoop you away and let you relive a pivotal moment in your life?


#550

Ha ha! No, that was unintentional. I’m quite won over by the prevailing philosophy that you are where you are, so stop bleating about past f*ck-ups. I just tend to forget my philosophical stance from time to time and start beating my self over the head with bits of liver (cows’ - I wouldn’t waste lambs’).

I’ll have to rewatch the similarly themed “It’s a Wonderful Job” too. I loved Moonlighting back in the 80s - well, seasons 1 and 2, and parts of season 3 anyway (before it went all Sherlock).


#551

That’s an interesting point. I noticed it. The threat of Q gradually declines over the course of the city. At the beginning of the series, he is an omnipotent game player. In Season 2, he exposes the Federation to the threat of the Borg, just to mess with them a bit. By this episode, he’s the crazy break out character who comes in and messes things about and then goes away again.

I hadn’t considered the idea of him seeing Picard as a friend. It sort of makes sense. Much as Q mocks Picard, he trusts him…

It might be worth mentioning Peter David’s Q-Squared here. That is a rather mind-bending TNG novel, with the Q Continuum right at the centre. It is crazy amounts of fun.


#552

That’s the one with Trelane as a Q, right? It’s actually one of the two novels that refers back to Tapestry!


#553

It is indeed. It reminds me a little of a Terry Pratchett novel in the way that it is all light and silly until it becomes deadly serious.

One of the things I love about Peter David’s Star Trek novels is that he writes like a man determined to win a No Prize. That book is full of explanations for stupid little continuity errors or incongruities.


#554

So you’re saying that Picard is half a post-transporter-accident Kirk?


#555


#556

This episode is showing now on the Horror Channel. Spooky!


#557

Someone in Paramount is looking at this thread and thinking “Jeez…A transporter accident that brings the original crew back as newer, younger actors…Why didn’t we think of that? It’s brilliant. We can just reboot the original crew for years”


#558

#559

That’s two presuppositions, and I’ll just let the “thinking” one rest for now.

The other is that Paramount scours obscure fannish websites to steal ideas. That is simply ridiculous. They will steal from anywhere.


#560

A good ds9 episode would be from the first season called “Duet” about Kira wanting to take down a suspected Cardassian war criminal who shows up at the station.