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Star Trekkin' Across the Universe: Discussing The Porgs


#401

Good call…I like it.


#402

As a nice bookend, we can do Final Frontier, the last episode of each series. We can do it after the finale of Star Trek Discovery


#403

Remember -

TOS - The Cage / The Menagerie - 4 hours
TNG - Encounter at Farpoint - 2 hours
DS9 - Emissary - 2 hours
VOY - Caretaker - 1 hour
ENT - Broken Bow, Parts 1 and 2 - 2 hours

That’s 11 hours, FYI.

BTW, the first matte we see in TNG, of Farpoint Station, was painted by my friend Jesse Silver. Got to see it months before the premiere!


#404

11.5 hours:

TAS - Beyond the Farthest Star


#405

Actually, the first episode of TOS to air was The Man Trap.

Now it’s just 8.5 hours.


#406

I thought we were going for a little reality here.


#407

So it is pretty much looking like The Drumhead…which I haven’t seen, so am pretty happy to hear (I have never seen The Drumhead).

I will leave this open until tomorrow.


#408

Well ladies and gents, in yet another electoral upset in 2016, the Drumhead has beaten out all opposition for our next episode to watch with 75% of the vote. Alas the online enthusiasm for the Tribble Bill did not translate into votes. Oh well, next time…

So we are watching the 21st episode of Star Trek TNG Season 4. It is a courtroom drama, directed by Jonathan Frakes (Commander Will Riker and director of two Star Trek movies). In the episode an explosion aboard the Enterprise leads to a high-level investigation headed by Admiral Norah Satie, a retired officer renowned for her skill at exposing conspiracies. Satie quickly determines that a visiting Klingon officer was attempting to smuggle diagrams off the ship, but the Klingon denies any involvement in the explosion. Satie refuses to give up on her investigation, even after the explosion is proven to be an accident, and she accuses Captain Jean-Luc Picard of treason when he challenges her charges against an innocent crewman.

@Lorcan_Nagle could you please update the thread title when you have a chance?


#409

:laughing:

Talking with FB folk, came the appropriate time for me to cite one of my favorite Sisko lines.

“You hit me! Picard never hit me!”

:laughing: still cracks me up!


#410

It was a great line. I loved the pay-off.

No. You’re much easier to provoke.

Or something to that effect.


#411

#412

Drumhead trivia:

The episode is a Bottle Show - a term for an episode designed to keep costs low by using pre-existing sets, minimal effects and the like. This allows for other episodes to go to town. In this case The Drumhead saved $250,000 for other episodes to use. (For reference, during discussions of Babylon 5’s budget, JMS claimed TNG ran about a million per episode)

The original plan was for the episode to refer to incidents Admiral Satie would bring up with clips from the episodes in question, but Rick Berman and Michael Piller objected as they didn’t want to draw parallels with Shades of Grey.

The episode was written by Jeri Taylor, but the concept came from a Ron Moore concept for an episode titled “It Can’t Happen Here”, which would refer to the McCarthy trials and the Salem Witch Hunts. Moore would revisit the concept in Battlestar Galactica, in the first series episode Litmus. But more on that later.

Jonathan Frakes directed the episode, and specifically visually referenced courtroom dramas including The Caine Mutiny, and Judgement at Nuremberg (which starred William Shatner).

The events referenced during the episode come from Conspiracy, Sins of the Father, The Best of Both Worlds I and II, Family, and Data’s Day. It’s also the first episode to note the number of ships and people lost at Wolf 359.

The set for the Interrogation room was first seen in The Defector, and is a redress of the Enterprise Bridge from the first three Trek movies.

Simon Tarses would become a recurring character in the later DS9 novels, having either been exonerated or rebuilding his career. He served as a doctor on the station, later transferring to USS Aventine under Captain Ezri Dax,

Jeri Taylor, Michael Dorn and Jonathan Frakes all cited this as a favourite episode, Frakes specifically said he enjoyed the chance to work with Jean Simmons.

And onto the episode:

When @Mike first brought this episode up it was in relation to The Measure of A Man, and interestingly my memory of the episode is that the inquiry scenes were much longer, just like I remembered the court scenes took more space in Measure of a Man. The two episodes are quite similar structurally, in that the problem is set up, a bunch of conversations about the problem happen, and then there’s a speech in court that resolves the problem. But as glib as I make it sound there, it’s a really good episode.

One thing that works quite well is that Worf buys into Satie’s rhetoric, going so far as to direct Enterprise security staff to investigate Tarses to a very intrusive level. It sets up a simmering conflict between Picard and Worf, especially as Picard basically spends the middle of the episode making vague proclamations about totalitarianism and paranoid witch hunts, which we understand the context of, but you can easily interpret as Picard getting paranoid himself if you were the recipient of said speeches. I don’t know if that was intentional, but it stuck me as quite amusing this time through the ep.

In Satie’s defence, the reference to Conspiracy shows what she’s been doing for years - rooting out the brain slugs (or if you’ve read the DS9 novels, the evil Trill symbiont offshoots) that tried to take over the Federation, and it’s understandable that she would see traitors where there aren’t any, especially if Picard had been assimilated by the Borg and used to almost take over Earth only a few months earlier. The parallels between the brain slugs and the Borg are quite subtle and again, not sure if they’re there on purpose, but cool.

Overall, I think the episode’s flaw is quite similar to one of Measure of a Man’s, in that the problem is solved by Picard giving a speech that in this case causes Satie to lose her shit and all of a sudden nobody takes her seriously any more. It’s incredibly pat and a limitation of the encapsulated format of TV storytelling at the time. To bring Litmus from BSG back into the post, it’s interesting to compare the conclusions of the episodes - Picard gives a speech, Adama walks out on the inquiry and refuses to allow it access to his ship any more - but in BSG it causes knock-on effects, in Adama and Roslin’s rivalry for example.

The episode’s power is that it shows how easy it is to fall into the trap of extremism. J’Dan says the blood of all Klingons has become like water. Satie was raised from childhood to make sure the Federation was preserved. They both take steps that go against their culture - siding with the Romulans in J’Dan’s case, or hounding people for minor infractions and trumped up charges in Satie’s. The title of Moore’s concept that lead to the episode - It Can’t Happen Here - has a cultural weight to it, and ties directly into the idea that the Federation shouldn’t be the site of a witch hunt. It’s a concept DS9 would explore a lot as well, notably with Section 31 and Admiral Layton’s coup in Homefront/Paradise Lost.


#413

So, does anyone else want to post about The Drumhead, or will we move onto the Tribble Bill?


#414

Sorry. I just watched it earlier this week. Not a lot to add to what you said. It reminds me a lot of The Crucible, with Admiral Satie whipping up an atmosphere of paranoia on ship.

Jean Simmons is fantastic as the Admiral, playing very much against type (or at least compared to anything I’ve seen her in). And the writing is terrific. I love how her character is initially introduced as a benign investigator, but she slowly and subtly poisons the atmosphere.

But this is very much a Picard episode. It is about how he maintains his integrity and speak out for those who are being treated unjustly.

I had never seen this episode before. I’m glad I did. I think it is one of the best. Thank you to whomever suggested it.

Edit: I’ve just looked up Jean Simmons’ filmography on Wikipedia…I had forgotten that she was in a lot of movies that I liked when I was a kid (like The Robe, Guys and Dolls…and mostly Spartacus).


#415

The Tribble Bill.

THE TRIBBLE BILL!!!

Please and thank you.

For Tim.


#416

I know that Tim isn’t feeling so well right at the moment. If you think that it is going to take Tribbles to make him feel better, we can do Tribbles.


#417

Yay! :slight_smile:
As long as everyone is finished with the other episode. Then yes.


#418

I still have the animated series episode “More Tribbles, More Troubles” on the DVR.


#419

That was the one caveat I was going to make…not everyone wants to watch old Star Trek episodes over Christmas…Apparently some people like to spend time with their families and stuff :confused:


#420

Absolutely. But if it helps Tim feel a wee bit better, I’m sure they won’t mind. We can always return to the other episode.