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Doctor Who Thread of Space and Time: Discussing Twice Upon A Time (SPOILERS)


#3433

Yes although it isn’t always the thing to take Missy’s dialogue too seriously, she’s a bit silly at the best of times.


#3434

It’s true, it was as much the Doctor using it back to her (as though it was quite a normal way to address a female Timelord) that caught my attention.

Like most things in Doctor Who, it doesn’t really need to be consistent anyway. I just thought it was interesting that Moffat (who has been one of the main proponents of setting up gender-switching for Timelords, and who wrote Dark Water) had obviously quite deliberately left the option open.


#3435

21/12/1963 – Silly robot monsters introduced into informative historical series. Doctor Who dies.

22/05/1965 – The terrifying Daleks are depicted as bumbling idiots. Doctor Who dies.

09/10/1965 – The fans are insulted by an episode without the Doctor. Doctor Who dies.

22/10/1966 – William Hartnell leaves. Doctor Who dies.

01/07/1967 – The final destruction of the Daleks. Doctor Who dies.

24/04/1968 – The series runs out of ideas and uses two monsters twice in the same series. Doctor Who dies.

21/06/1969 – The mystery of the Doctor’s people is ruined. Doctor Who dies.

03/01/1970 – The whole point of the show is jettisoned as the Doctor begins his exile on Earth. Doctor Who dies.

23/06/1973 – Jo leaves, breaking the irreplaceable magic between companion and Doctor. Doctor Who dies.

28/12/1974 – The new Doctor is a goggle-eyed nutjob. Doctor Who dies.

19/04/1975 – The Cybermen go all rubbish. Doctor Who dies.

23/10/1976 – Sarah-Jane leaves, breaking the irreplaceable magic between companion and Doctor. Doctor Who dies.

30/10/1976 – The Time Lords are depicted as doddery old men. Doctor Who dies.

22/10/1977 – A gimmicky robot dog joins the TARDIS crew. Doctor Who dies.

11/03/1978 – Leela leaves, breaking the irreplaceable magic between companion and Doctor. Doctor Who dies.

01/09/1979 – Romana leaves, breaking the irreplaceable magic between companion and Doctor. Doctor Who dies.

15/11/1980 – A whiny boy joins the TARDIS crew. Doctor Who dies.

24/01/1981– Romana and K-9 leave, breaking the irreplaceable magic between companions and Doctor. Doctor Who dies.

21/03/1981 – The best Doctor ever is replaced by a vet. Doctor Who dies.

04/01/1982 – The Saturday tea-time slot is abandoned. Doctor Who dies.

02/03/1982 – The producers forget to put aliens in a story. Doctor Who dies.

16/03/1982 – The Doctor fails to save a much-loved companion. Doctor Who dies.

25/11/1983 – The First Doctor is re-cast and Tom Baker doesn’t turn up. Doctor Who dies.

23/02/1984 – A new companion is brought in just to fill a bikini. Doctor Who dies.

22/03/1984 – The new Doctor is a psychopath in a clown outfit. Doctor Who dies.

05/01/1985 – The classic twenty-five minute format is abandoned. Doctor Who dies.

01/11/1986 – Bonnie. Langford. Doctor Who dies.

07/09/1987 – The new Doctor is a buffoon in an ugly pullover. Doctor Who dies.

02/11/1988 – The Doctor fights Bertie Bassett. Doctor Who dies.

06/12/1989 – The show ends its twenty-six year run. Doctor Who dies.

27/05/1996 – The Doctor kisses his companion. Americans are involved. Doctor Who dies.

25/05/2004 – A former teen singer is revealed as the companion. Doctor Who dies.

31/03/2005 – The Doctor quits after one episode has been broadcast. Doctor Who dies.

25/12/2005 – The new Doctor spends all his time in bed. Doctor Who dies.

17/06/2006 - A Doctor-light episode is an exploration of the notions of fandom and the human experience. Doctor Who dies.

08/07/2006 – An actress with her own sketch show is revealed as the companion for the Christmas special. Doctor Who dies.

16/06/2007 – The Master is turned into a raving loony. Doctor Who dies.

02/07/2007 – A former teen singer is revealed as the companion for the Christmas special. Doctor Who dies.

03/07/2007 – The actress with her own sketch show is revealed as the companion for Series Four. Doctor Who dies.

03/09/2007 – A Christmas special, four specials for 2009 and a whole series for 2010 are confirmed. Doctor Who dies.

25/12/2007 – For the first time ever, the show is the most watched of the week. It is also the second-highest rated program of the year and the Audience Appreciation index is 86. Doctor Who dies.

29/10/2008 – The best Doctor ever announces he is leaving. Doctor Who dies.

04/01/2009 – The new Doctor is revealed to be a young male actor. Doctor Who dies.

29/05/2009 – The new companion is revealed to be a young female actor. Doctor Who dies.

06/10/2009 - The logo people originally criticised for having too much lens flare is replaced by one that people criticise for having too much lens flare. Doctor Who dies.


#3436

:grimacing:


#3437

I had that assuption earlier in the week but decided not to write it out loud. I don’t really want to see bumbling tomfoolery from a companion, even if it’s only an undercurrent. Sad.


#3438

In fairness that one is kind of accurate if you squint.

More impressively, that list doesn’t mention anything about that whole ‘half-human’ thing. :slight_smile:


#3439

Well that one at least is true :wink:


#3440

I’m halfway through Mel’s tenure at the moment and honestly, she’s not that bad. Beyond the fitness thing (which is dropped pretty quick with Baker) and the ear-piercing scream. The biggest problem is she’s given some badly and under-written parts and leans too hard into them to make them work (most notably at the end of Trial).


#3441

She thcreamed and thcreamed and thcreamed until she made me sick.


#3442

Hmm. Reference for those who aren’t old enough:


#3443

I’m definitely old enough…


#3444

USA! USA! USA!


#3445

Its Roy Castle all over again!


#3446

#3447

Peter Davison, who played the Doctor from 1981 to 1984, said he “liked the idea” of a male Doctor and that he felt “a bit sad” the character might no longer be “a role model for boys”.

His comments were promptly dubbed “rubbish” by his successor Colin Baker.

"You don’t have to be of a gender to be a role model," said the actor, who portrayed the Doctor from 1984 to 1986.

Which kind of undermines the supposed point of a female Doctor being necessary as a role model for girls.


#3448

I wonder what Tom Baker has to say…


#3449

Well, if it’s anything like when most of the ex-Doctors were asked about Brexit (of course they were, everyone was asked), it’ll be “it doesn’t matter what I think, I’ll be dead soon”.

(If you’re interested, of those who answered, all were Remain, apart from Colin Baker who was very pro-Brexit).


#3450

I have no idea but just know that it would be epic and a lot of us probably would still walk away scratching our heads wondering what he meant.


#3451

#3452

At least Hartnell, Troughton and Pertwee have maintained a dignified silence over the whole issue.