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Diversity in Modern Society


#1306

Anyone born between 1981 and 1996 is a Millennial. Anyone born after is part of a new generation, whose name they haven’t decided on yet. (Informally, they’re Generation Z.)

Marketing firm Millennial Marketing defines a slightly broader, earlier window, stating that Millennials are born between 1977 and 2000. Meanwhile, Merriam-Webster defines the term rather vaguely as “a person born in the 1980s or 1990s.”

(I think tech usage is a key part of what a millennial is - I was 14 when I got my first computer and our house got an internet connection the following year IIRC.)

By your measure I’m a Gen-Xer but I think of them as people who were adults in the 80s - I was a kid.


#1307

I wouldn’t disagree with that but I look at quite a few Facebook forums on comics and nobody is much is discussing this stuff. FB can be brutal but these are set up more as fan clubs.

Nobody can really prove any of this stuff because it’s all anecdotal evidence impossible to measure but I believe it’s mainly a small cluster of people very engaged in this debate on either side.

As mentioned a while back even those on-side with social justice issues said Marvel went to far at once in legacy/diversity replacements but I think the legacy element is larger. Which is why nobody complains about Green Lanterns, starring a Muslim and a Latina, because it’s an additional book when Hal is still around.

Marvel’s problems are much deeper when it comes to sales and it’s all been discussed here.


#1308

Like a lot of these generational definitions, it’s a pretty useless broad brush to apply a single catch-all label to people born over a span of two decades.

I don’t think it’s particularly meaningful to lump in someone born in 1981 with someone born in 1999, for example. They would likely have grown up in quite different worlds when it comes to technology, communication, job opportunities, culture in general. And that’s if they even grew up in similar circumstances and came from similar backgrounds.

It’s as meaningful as lumping in someone born in the mid-Sixties with someone born in the mid-Eighties.

Society likes to apply these kinds of overly broad labels in a lot of cases, but generational definitions are one of the most useless of the lot.


#1309

I tend not to use the millennial label anyway, certainly not to disparage the youth of today. Boomers are a different story though; as a cultural cohort they’ve had decades to shape our societies and to this day have so much of the wealth and power worldwide.

(It’s not like Political Correctness is new anyway - it’s been around and facing a backlash since the 90s (when many of the “millennials” weren’t yet born or were just children).)


#1310

I was born in 1980… but a lot of my friends are around my same age and I don’t consider them millenials… I think at most I’d be willing to say between 95 and 2015 (since I think a generation is 20 years right?)…

To me, millenials are people who grew up in a period of time where the interent was already “a thing”, and not something new and magical that few people had access to or knew how to use (like it was for me and my peers when growing up)… Millenials are those who today are super savvy in the ways of social medias and all that suff… those who use ubers instead of flagging cabs on the street… those who use airbn’b instead of booking hotel rooms… those who use ubereats instead of calling traditional home delivery… etc, etc…

I think that’s a much more accurate and fair description, than just mindlessly assigning years.

I mean, I could say that if you jerked off to paper magazines and waited 30 mins to download a single low-ress porn jpg… you’re NOT a millenial… but that’s gross =P


#1311

That’s where a lot of people see crossover between Millennials and Boomers. Boomers were the hippy generation that saw themselves as rebels in their youth but changed tune once they were in power revealing that their rebellion was quite self focused.

I don’t believe all Millennials (or Boomers) are this way as it’s a pretty broad brush (and there are Gen-Xers that could be classified there too) but the tendencies are present. Those tendency are probably more linked to relative generation size (Millenials are also called the Baby Boom Echo) and their ability to direct things to the benefit of their generation. In that respect Gen-X was largely caught between Boomers staying in the work place longer and Milennials entering the work place.


#1312

I never believed in this generation stuff. People are individuals.


#1313

The problem with the “generation” labels is that they were originally based on American birth patterns. They don’t necessarily line up with patterns in other countries. Ultimately though, they are labels used for marketing.

Adam “Adam Ruins Everything” Conover has a good video about the generation labels:


#1314

That’s the truth and here’s the sting, a lot of it works or they wouldn’t use it. Marketing firms classify groups because they can sell to those groups in certain ways. The other side of it is that marketing firms are looking for the widest possible grouping for effective targeting campaigns. So like Disney movies, they have a wide application but sometimes aren’t meant for the precision that some would use them for.

A better classification would probably be the media consumed by the generation. Boomers are the TV generation; Gen-Xer’s are the MTV generation; and Millenials are the Internet generation.

A lot of us here (not Todd as he’s way too old) are on the cusp of Gen-X and Millenials. We generally had childhoods like Gen-Xers but high school and college experiences closer to Millenials. One term used is Xennials.

Edit: For fun. :wink:


#1315

Did they get backstabbed by the communists in the Spanish Civil War?


#1316

We’re not really that individual. Maybe there’s micro differences that make us unique, but our hobbies, or tastes and how we view the world are all mostly in the same ballpark. That’s why these classifications late widely used and actually really useful. You can say Gen X about a stranger and predict their tastes and behaviors with a decent degree of accuracy.

I find most of the people I meet in different age groups to be more or less the same, no matter where I meet them or what they do for a living. It’s to be expected really, we all grow up with similar influences.


#1317

I always felt like Gen X were people who made money during the first tech boom in the 90s, and I was too young for that. And I’m clearly not a millennial either because I hate texting.

Whatever happened to Gen Y?


#1318

Generation Y and Millennials refer to the same generation. Oddly, the term Millennial predates Generation Y by 6 years or so…


#1319

I have seen the post-Millennials “Generation Z” referred to as iGeneration or iGen.


#1320

Maybe this is true for the Anglosphere, I don’t believe it is true for the world at all. There are so many fundamental cultural differences, the modern Western worldview isn’t some kind of universal truth.

In Western countries I think there are also still big differences, although maybe less so in the anglosphere. Yes a lot of people watch Pixar and post on facebook and have a smartphone, but that’s all consumer culture and pretty shallow. If you look at psychology, people’s personalities and behavior and the details of our worldviews there are so many differences. Just look at the discussions and disagreements we have here, we’re not in some kind of Star Trek like monoculture.

And I don’t have a smartphone, and I really hate facebook and Pixar.


#1321

Why is something like this acceptable? Surely we should be endeavouring for some form of meritocracy?


#1322

I think the current climate is one of positive discrimination, which you can obviously argue the merits of both ways.

I’d like to think that studios are genuinely concerned about sidelined minorities getting their shot in the spotlight, but the cynical part of me says that the motivation is as much down to fear of getting caught up in bad press that makes the studio seem out-of-touch for (say) having a male director of a female superhero movie.


#1323

Does it matter what their motivation is though? The results of their actions matter more than their reason for them.


#1324

If you want to effect lasting change, I think so.

Far better for people to want to change the landscape for positive reasons than to feel like they’re making concessions out of a fear of looking bad.


#1325

It’s a phase. I really can’t bother reacting too much. Some blither about the Batwoman and some requests for a female director, and it’s all very small potatoes and grist for the social media mill.