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I’m as guilty of being unfair to movies as anyone, and Ant-Man is absolutely case-in-point. Being a fan of Edgar Wright and seeing what happened there made me completely uninterested in the resulting movie, and when I saw it for the first time I filtered the experience through my disappointment and was (surprise! surprise!) disappointed with it. But I watched it again later with different things in mind (hey! I’m a big fan of Evangeline Lily! Corey Stoll! Michael Peña! And that Paul Rudd guy!) and suddenly (surprise! surprise!) I liked it a lot better.

Sometimes I really just want to see other fans admit that sort of thing.


The Matrix was nowhere near the cultural touchstone that Star Wars was.

I’d wager that Harry Potter was the millennial equivalent of Star Wars, but the Matrix was just a flash in the pop culture pan. There was legitimate Harry Potter mania, with kids dressing up as the characters and staying up for midnight book releases at Barnes & Noble and Borders; that stuff was huge for a while.

And Star Wars always had competition from Star Trek, too. Star Wars went into hibernation from about 1983 to 1993, before the big novel, comic book, toy, and video game push of the mid-90s that led up to TPM.

Star Trek was the big science fiction franchise during the period between the OT and PT, with three tv series and a long-running series of films. Not to mention tons of Trek merchandise around the end of TNG and beginning of DS9.


As a concept, The Matrix absolutely dominated the popular consciousness in 1999. Again, I’m not talking in terms of box office, but chatter, buzz. It was absolutely the cool thing. It got into the mainstream immediately. My high school math teacher talked about it!

And Star Trek might have been everywhere, but it was on a much smaller scale. It was still being talked about as tremendously uncool. Didn’t matter how popular Next Generation had been. In school it was absolutely still at the general level of comics, that dweeb thing.


Errmm… no, that’s wrong…


What’s hilarious is that I’m trying to explain both Matrix and Phantom Menace in separate threads. It’s just as if 1999 never actually happened.


Cast Lily James and I’m in.


What’s really hilarious is that everyone already understands Matrix and Phantom Menace. :wink:


Heck, cast Karen Allen and I’m in.


Two of the best trailers of all time.


Yeah, The Phanom Menace was the first Star Wars prequel that had Jar-Jar Binks, an eight year-old kid playing Darth Vader, and Natalie Portman and Kiera Knightley playing switcheroo.

The Matrix was a William Gibson-lite, sort of cyberpunk movie with Keanu Reeves that wasn’t Johnny Mnemonic.


$29.2 million estimate for Solo’s second weekend. Currently at $264M worldwide.

Deadpool 2 is currently about 10% behind the original, which is about what would be expected, though maybe a little disappointing given it cost twice as much.


And yet, it still had a hundred times more long-lasting impact than the Potter movies… and is far from being “just a flash in the pop culture pan”.


Really. That’s what you think.
How much matrix merchandise and books do you see now. How many people watch The matrix again and again?
Are there matrix theme parks I missed.
Is there a mafeix shop in Heathrow airport I just missed last time I was there.

The matrix is a totally unknown entity to many people. In sci-fi fan circles it’s well known and loved, but most people on the street able to tell you nothing about it beyond the fact Keanu Reeves was in it.

Everyone knows Potter

They don’t even register on the same scale of popularity.


No, no… I’m pretty sure it’s a fact.

The matrix didn’t have much in terms of merch anyways, it wasn’t a movie designed for that.

I’m talking about cultural impact, 2 different things… I’m not gonna re-hash what I’ve said a billion times already, but let’s just take one of the most visible impacts the Matrix had in culture, specifically in movies:

So, everytime you see a kung-fu-like combat/fight scene with flashy choreography (and usually slo-mo) in an action movie (even to this day)? Yup, that’s direct impact from the Matrix.

How did the Harry Potter movies impact cinema?

Potter is a very different animal to both Matrix and Star Wars (which are a lot more similar). HP was already a huge phenomenon before they even decided to film the movies… both SW and the Matrix came out of nowhere, no one was expecting them or even knew what to expect from them.

Neither of them are adaptations from popular books. Neither of them are even that original, tbh… Both of them took from a lot of popular concepts & ideas that existed already and mashed them up into movies with unprecedented presentations.

The HP movies did well because the books already had a massive pre-existing fanbase (plus the fans they picked with the movies themselves sure). Both SW and Matrix just hit a nerve with audiences, and both have had lasting impact even thought they might not be as popular as they once were.

And to go further, I’m pretty much certain that the next “iconic” game-changing movie won’t come from an adaptation… that is to say, it’s not gonna be a Marvel or DC movie, or something like HP or GoT… it will be just like SW & Matrix… a movie that will take from all the recent underlying cultural concepts and mash them up together in an unprecedented presentation. It’s gonna come out of nowhere, basically.


For the record there was a fair amount of Matrix merchandise, especially for the later films.


Yeah, that too… they made toys, comicbooks, books, video games and a shit ton of regular merch as well… But for the sequels… there wasn’t much for the 1st one, understandably.

Also, again, the fact that there are Harry Potter shops in airports is more due to the success of the books. HP was a gigantic novel success story and it made the news for that long before they even announced a movie.

Oh and lastly, the very fact people even know the word “Matrix” is proof enough of its impact :smile:


In one big respect no they didn’t.

The Harry Potter series is the most influential in Hollywood in changing their model. The age of the kids gave rise to a mode of an almost annual release schedule which Star Wars has embraced and Marvel too.

The Matrix series was aimed at you and me and had influence in special effects specifically but really no lasting legacy in content. The only R rated sci-fi content out there today is pretty unrelated, it’s Blade Runner and Aliens stuff running off 80s influence.


Not the first movies to do that (LOTR being one exemple), but yes, I’ll admit that indeed had an impact in movie-making (although I suspect the yearly schedule had more to do with the child actors, but whatever).

In that same regard, Avatar had a MASSIVE impact too, cause it basically revived the whole 3D thing.

As I wrote above, it’s not only the special effects… “movie” kung-fu and wire-work in action scenes wasn’t something very popular or even really used in western cinema at that point (although it obviously was in Asia). Since the Matrix it’s become the norm, and again, even to this day… most movies still use this.



Matrix certainly changed how king fu is used in movies but I think that’s fallen out of favor recently.

Harry Potter I think had a big impact in the 7 movie vision, it made the idea of ongoing connected movies a reality (beyond the traditional trilogy).

Star Wars main impact was going all digital and integrating CGI characters. Now every movie is made that way.