millarworld.tv Comics Creators

Box Office Mojo


#2003

Those top 3 are in the same order I’d rank my top 3 Marvel movies.


#2004

Ragnarok! How is Marvel’s best movie the worst for keeping audience interest?

What’s also interesting is that for all IW’s success, in adjusted terms it’s likely going to end up below Avengers, which did $705m at today’s prices.


#2005

Justice League came out its third week.


#2006

Yeah, as with a lot of these single-data-point comparisons I think it’s hard to read much into the numbers without the context around each release. The general environment for superhero movies changed a huge amount between the release of the first entry on that list (Iron Man) and the last (Ragnarok).


#2007

Yup it’s interesting but there are a lot of variables, as Paul says Justice League came out on the weekend being analysed aimed at pretty much the exact same audience. Black Panther had nothing of a similar genre to compete with for 3 weeks until Tomb Raider came out.


#2008

If only I had said there were a lot of variables in my post about it.


#2009

I don’t think it’s a criticism of your post, just part of discussing the question you posed (ie. is this an accurate reflection of the general public’s enjoyment of the movies?).

I think there are too many variables to make it as simple and straightforward as that, but at the same time it gives us a bit of information about their relative staying power.


#2010

2e4


#2011

They’re treated as seriously as real life. People make jokes all the time, constantly, non-stop, even in serious situations. Very rarely making people laugh out loud, but that’s not the point. It’s just what humans do, make light of things. I find the Avengers’ quips very naturalistic in that regard. They’re what I hear every single day at work.


#2013

… I’m honestly not sure if David is joking or being serious.


#2014

Your face is joking.

(See what I did there? Made a silly quip even in the middle of making a serious point. Gosh, it’s almost like Stark ribbing Cap in the middle of a fight. And this post is now probably the most self-referential post in the history of the Internet. It’s the Grant Morrison of posts.)


#2016

Not really Morrison-esque as the psychedelic feeling is missing.


#2017

… I’m still not sure if David is joking or being serious.


#2018

David is senile. Does that answer your question?


#2019

Seriously, a movie where the dialogue is 100% serious with no character ever cracking a joke at another character’s expense is the least realisitic movie you will ever see.


#2020

Batman was fun an quippy in the 1960’s, but that was 50 years ago. It’s 2018, you may not have noticed.

That’s not to say you can’t have fun Batman cartoons where he’s this fun daredevil guy, Batman is a very versatile character, but in the Nolan era with this generation of fans Batman is a serious guy doing serious business. He’s almost a parody of himself considering Lego Batman exists, but that’s still the version of the character we’ve mostly consumed for the past 30 years. It’d take a huge set of balls to turn Bruce Wayne into another Tony Stark.


#2021

You know he hasn’t Jim. It’s forever 1973 in Meadowsland.


#2022

Almost as huge as those needed to turn Black Panther into an A-list character?

Sometimes the less obvious gamble pays off.

(Though I agree with you, Adam-West-Batman wouldn’t work today. Except in Lego.)


#2023

It’s a very different situation. Black Panther is a new character, you’re establishing a tone with him rather than changing it. Changing Batman would be the most radical thing Warners would have done in the last 20 years.

It might have been the right move thinking about it - Marvel has succeeded on fun quippy characters, DC has failed with it’s grim serious characters. I’ve said forever that the secret sauce of blockbusters is joyfulness, it’s led to successes like Kingsman and Deadpool.

However changing Batman would be like changing James Bond from miserable drunk Daniel Craig to some sort of modern day Roger Moore. The last time they tried to make Batman silly was the George Clooney era, and that effectively killed the character for a decade.


#2024

Except George Clooney himself was serious, like Val Kilmer and Michael Keaton before him. All Schumacher did differently from Burton was remove the goth gloss and replace it with technicolor.