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Box Office Business - Talking About Hollywood Money


#1

This a a thread where we talk about movies from a different direction. Instead or worrying about the casting and execution, here’s where we talk about the money. How much do the films cost, what’s making all the money, and what trends are on the horizon? What are you box office predictions for upcoming films?

All that goes here. Carry on.


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#3

I think we’ll see a huge rise in VR programming in the next 5 years.


#4

VR porn is already in the pipeline.


#5

VR could be big, but I see games dominating, rather than any kind of narrative content.

It’s interactivity that pushes it over into something really different. I don’t see the appeal of watching (for example) ‘Star Wars’ in VR, but being able to visit Mos Eisley, go to the Cantina, get into blaster/lightsabre fights and book a trip on the Falcon myself?

That would be a huge draw.


#6

I think you may be right there Steve, we’ve seen with 3D that while it has lasted this time it has lost a lot of steam and most people don’t seem bothered. Mark Kermode’s theory is that with a narrative film the effects take you out of the story rather than immerse you more.

I went to Disneyland Tokyo last autumn and went on the Star Tours ride, which is a 3D journey in spaceship with all kinds of effects, close to VR in its own way. I loved it but I don’t think I’d want to watch a 2 hour Star Wars film that way.

The porn? Yeah I can see that working.


#7

[quote=“garjones, post:6, topic:5569, full:true”]
I think you may be right there Steve, we’ve seen with 3D that while it has lasted this time it has lost a lot of steam and most people don’t seem bothered. Mark Kermode’s theory is that with a narrative film the effects take you out of the story rather than immerse you more.[/quote]

Especially when it comes to VR environments. I mean, the big plus of those is, you can look anywhere and go anywhere you want to, but the point of movies is that your gaze is directed. You don’t really want to be in the movie, you want to see it in the way the director wants to show it to you - you don’t want to miss the big closeup of the bear’s teeth gnawing off Leo’s ear because you’ve just noticed an interesting snail on the second tree to the left.

We should all be investing in VR porn right now.


#8

Eddie The Eagle, which garnered an A CinemaScore in the U.S., is doing quite well across the pond in the UK. The Dexter Fletcher-helmed audience favorite opened big with $3.9M, marking the biggest opening of a British film since the James Bond movie Spectre opened in October 2015 with $80.4M. Eddie The Eagle debuted in the No. 2 slot only behind sophomore player Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice. Star Wars: The Force Awakens opened to $48.9M including previews in December of 2015.

Batman V Superman opened to $20.7M in the UK last weekend, which was the biggest March opener ever in the territory.

Eddie The Eagle is the story of Michael Edwards, who is driven to become Great Britain’s first Olympic ski-jumper. Reluctantly aided by former ski-jumper Bronson Peary as his coach, he is unrelenting in his goal to reach the 1988 Calgary Winter Games.

The film stars Taron Egerton (Kingsman: The Secret Service) as Eddie and Hugh Jackman as Peary. The film is produced by Matthew Vaughn (Kingsman: The Secret Service) and Adam Bohling, David Reid, Valerie Van Galder and Rupert Maconick.

Lionsgate UK released the film in the UK and Ireland on April 1 after previews that started on March 28.


#9

Big-budget movies are getting worse in each decade. And there is maths to prove it:

we wanted to determine which films have received the worst reviews relative to how much money they made. So we created our own ultra-scientific metric: money per point, or the total a movie grossed in the box office divided by Metacritic score. This tells us how much money a film made for each review point it earned; as such, movies with a combination of a low score and high revenue gravitate toward the top.

Astonishingly, the Transformers franchise takes a clean sweep of the top three spots — in historical order, to boot: Age of Extinction (2014), Dark of the Moon (2011), and Revenge of the Fallen (2009). Following closely are the third and fourth films from the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise.

Only two weekends into its theater run, Batman v Superman is already ranked 21st here. The film has far surpassed the only other superhero flick on the list — coincidentally, 1997’s Batman and Robin — and will only continue to climb in tandem with its revenue.

But there seems to be a bigger trend at play here: 30 of these 50 films (60 percent), were made within the past decade. The original 600 films we looked at went all the way back to 1972’s The Godfather — yet very few of the older films seem to make it on this list.

there was a time when blockbuster hits and gnarly critical reviews did not go hand in hand. We went back to the numbers from our original list of the 600 highest-grossing films of all time (adjusted for inflation), and averaged the Metacritic scores for each decade. The outcome is not promising.


#10

I’m not the kind of guy to say “I told you so”, but I told you so.


#11

The other explanation is that film critics are getting crankier.


#12

Something along those lines would be more my take since film reviews are far from objective. The thing is the trend is actually leveling off. It looks like the worst blockbuster drop off must have been sometime in the 1970’s and the 1980’s. :wink:


#13

I think it was here;


#14

I don’t think the impression is quite accurate, either. The one thing this may prove is that the highest - grossing of all movies released during a certain time frame have become worse, but that doesn’t mean all blockbusters have. I’d like to see how they chose their movies, too.

We do know that most of the really successful recent blockbusters also were critically appreciated. Avengers, for example.

It’s not Godfathers, of course. I think that’s a fair enough point: there’s are kinds of dialogue - heavy movies that in the seventies used to reach the widest audiences that won’t do that anymore, compared to action-heavy movies.

Either way it’s not a problem. There are more than enough great movies out there that find a big enough audience. There’s room for action spectacles’ audiences being bigger, even those of them that are rightfully critically panned.


#15

That looks like one of those ironically 80’s films that get made today. :wink:


#16

Only there was no irony involved when it was made.

Food for thought isn’t it?


#17

We began our hunt at Box Office Mojo,
a site that tallies how much money any given film makes (a.k.a. gross
revenue). Using worldwide, inflation-adjusted figures, we compiled the
600 highest-earning films of all time. (Note: Batman v Superman is already No. 84 on this list.)


#18

1970s films did so well that half the cinemas in the UK converted into bingo halls.


#19

There will always be a disconnect between what’s good and what people consume. I rest my case with X-Factor and TOWIE :wink:


#20

The most popular TV show in 1978 was Sale of the Century, followed by Survival Special.


#21

Sale of the Century was quality entertainment :thumbsup:

(Actually you’re just agreeing with my statement.)