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no not mine, I don't like watercolours, I prefer acrylics and oils for figure work, but black ink on acetate for the most part with live models. then scratch the ink off the plastic as an alternate to bringing in whites. but that's fine art stuff, not comic art. all comic art is based on building the figure up from basic forms, getting the maths right in the proportions etc before adding any detail and clothing. if you watch jim lee in some of his online drawing recordings he talks about it being a bit boring and trying to put some energy into the drawings after setting out the figure, but not putting any final lines down until the overall figure is set out in proper proportion, head size/shape etc. he does a lot of erasing until he gets it right, even after all these years. bart sears is the opposite, he likes the setout of the muscles and poses, but finds the final rendering the boring bit which is why he uses a style with no hatching. I love bart sears because his figures are so ugly in their perfection!

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no not mine, I don't like watercolours, I prefer acrylics and oils for figure work, but black ink on acetate for the most part with live models. then scratch the ink off the plastic as an alternate to bringing in whites. but that's fine art stuff, not comic art. all comic art is based on building the figure up from basic forms, getting the maths right in the proportions etc before adding any detail and clothing. if you watch jim lee in some of his online drawing recordings he talks about it being a bit boring and trying to put some energy into the drawings after setting out the figure, but not putting any final lines down until the overall figure is set out in proper proportion, head size/shape etc. he does a lot of erasing until he gets it right, even after all these years. bart sears is the opposite, he likes the setout of the muscles and poses, but finds the final rendering the boring bit which is why he uses a style with no hatching. I love bart sears because his figures are so ugly in their perfection!

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That's exactly what I mean. I find it enthralling to see the way other people can distort figures, yet still make them believable. I know that humans interpret the work of other humans in a partly symbolic way, but it is still fascinating to see it in action. I can understand what they have done when it is there in front of me, but I can't do it myself. Even when I do pure illustrative work, it always tends towards the real. I am not complaining, because this is a kind of side effect of sculpting, and it is an ideal I have been working towards for many years, so all my effort has been towards getting things exactly as they are in real life, and relying on the accidental magic to put the interpretive in. It's why I love art deco figures so much, and nouveau designs.
How do you post images like that? Are they stored on another site and you just paste the url in? I only have a DA account, and they don't come out the right size last time I tried. Or do you put them up on a file sharing site? I would like to post something.
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How do you post images like that? Are they stored on another site and you just paste the url in? I only have a DA account, and they don't come out the right size last time I tried. Or do you put them up on a file sharing site? I would like to post something.


Yeah, I use a photobucket.com accound to post images.
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Feel free to use my Space Oddity submission. It's actually the opening strip on the current topic. Surely there should be some level of quality control in this though. You want to sell a book that has quality strips in it rather than just random work. How about putting the submissions to a vot?
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Speaking as someone trying to break into both film/TV and comics, with a side of literature, it's a thankless, often depressing, often frustrating task. But eff me does it feel good to do.

The art for "The Globe" is finished, am now in the market for someone to letter it (see the thread that should be up by the time you read it).
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Feel free to use my Space Oddity submission. It's actually the opening strip on the current topic. Surely there should be some level of quality control in this though. You want to sell a book that has quality strips in it rather than just random work. How about putting the submissions to a vot?

Hi Gibson, thanks and it's in then. On your other point, about quality. I said in the initial offer that I would not be censoring for quality or any other reason. Firstly, because who am I to judge other's work. Secondly, because what does not appeal to me, appeals to others, even if it is naive in execution. Thirdly, because this is an exercise whose main point is to remove a psychological hurdle.
That is, people included can say I was published in this anthology and it is available from..etc.. I will also make the file available to participants so they can do print on demand. I have worked on the structure of that yet, but the drive behind it will be so that people can print off the work to take to Cons.
Hope that makes things clearer, and welcome aboard.

Yeah, I use a photobucket.com accound to post images.

Thanks Christian.
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See, I don't mean to be picky here (and in no way am I saying that I produced some high quality piece of artwork) but I really don't think it's a good call to print any work handed to you simply as an aid to overcoming the 'psychological hurdle' that you mention. It's easy enough to have your work printed or published on a website.

Now sure, it's good to say that you're work has been in an anthology but that's like saying that I'm hosted an art exhibit which was a picture entry to our local flower show when I was 8. I also don't mean to be too precious about this but there really needs to be some level of control or otherwise I really don't want my own artwork to be submitted.

I understand you don't want to take responsability yourself but as I proposed how about opening everyones work to a poll here on the board with the strongest five pieces being put through? That way you don't have to involve yourself and at the same time everyone who has submitted work gets an idea on how their work rates compared to one another.

I don't know about anyone else but any artwork I submit here I am genuinely wanting a critique (good or bad) and many a person - and I'm at fault for doing this as well - will view a piece of artwork but then move on rather than make a comment. A poll would speed the process up and give everyone a quick critique.
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See, I don't mean to be picky here (and in no way am I saying that I produced some high quality piece of artwork) but I really don't think it's a good call to print any work handed to you simply as an aid to overcoming the 'psychological hurdle' that you mention. It's easy enough to have your work printed or published on a website.

Now sure, it's good to say that you're work has been in an anthology but that's like saying that I'm hosted an art exhibit which was a picture entry to our local flower show when I was 8. I also don't mean to be too precious about this but there really needs to be some level of control or otherwise I really don't want my own artwork to be submitted.

I understand you don't want to take responsability yourself but as I proposed how about opening everyones work to a poll here on the board with the strongest five pieces being put through? That way you don't have to involve yourself and at the same time everyone who has submitted work gets an idea on how their work rates compared to one another.

I don't know about anyone else but any artwork I submit here I am genuinely wanting a critique (good or bad) and many a person - and I'm at fault for doing this as well - will view a piece of artwork but then move on rather than make a comment. A poll would speed the process up and give everyone a quick critique.

That's fine Gibson. I am sticking to what I said earlier. The first 5 of the 5 pagers regardless of what I think of their quality who want in, are in. I have four committed, not including yours. I will go to 6 as it makes no difference in a digital print and the more the merrier from that point of view.


I want to be very clear on this. Irregardless of polls or opinions of anyone, including the artist/writers contributing, the people who commit to the project, and provide the required finished strips submitted to me, with the requisite permissions to print are in. Not open to argument or discussion. So if that means you are out, so be it, and no hard feelings.
Anyone else submitting, this is the rule.
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Feel free to use my Space Oddity submission. It's actually the opening strip on the current topic. Surely there should be some level of quality control in this though. You want to sell a book that has quality strips in it rather than just random work. How about putting the submissions to a vot?


I understand why you are bringing this up, but based on the usual standard of creatives on this forum, I don't see it being a problem anyway (plus I generally agree with Stephen on this issue).
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Yeah, I'm opting out again. Sorry, but best of luck with the project (hope that doesn't come off sarcastic or nout as it certainly isn't meant to be - I do believe I have a sarcy tone when I write).
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Okay, let's get back on topic.

I fully support the idea of an anthology whether it be online or published.

I may submit, I may not. Both Stephen and Gibsonian make excellent points.

Lets get back to talking about breaking into comics.

And since it has been brought up... does anyone know of any good small press magazines/anthologies which are out there and accept submissions?
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don't know any good ones, plenty of fanzine type ones.
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You know, if you want to get your artwork out there it's easy enough to sign up for an account at issuu.com and present your comic from there.

This also helps with submissions as your work is now in the public domain.
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don't know any good ones, plenty of fanzine type ones.


Yeah most of the good anthologies I've read have been the fanzine art comic variety. I don't know that you really submit to those, so much as know the people who are wanting to make it, and you do something with them.

In response to the question in this thread, I'm just making comics. I still have to get a lot better before I can expect to make any kind of money off it, but my thing this year is to do a lot of short stories so I can do different styles and build up my toolkit, while building something in the end I can put out there as a cohesive album of short comics, while also having the ability to submit to random anthologies that come around.

We did an anthology from the board here awhile back incidentally. Jim O'Hara masterminded it. It was fun. If you are thinking about doing something like that, I'd PM him and get a run down of sort of "best practices" for making it work. I'd be fine with contributing, as I've already said, I'm doing short pieces anyways.

I think for an anthology to work though, you need to have a cohesive vision of what the unifying concept is that brings all of these stories together. For Jim's anthology, it was simply Millarworld. But there's been some pretty awesome themed anthologies. Thickness with it's indie porn slant. Rub the Blood which was an art comix take on the Image Era extreme comics, and was completely insane. If you come up with a fun concept that sells the anthology almost on it's own, you can probably actually move units outside of people on the board who contributed to it.
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You know, if you want to get your artwork out there it's easy enough to sign up for an account at issuu.com and present your comic from there.

This also helps with submissions as your work is now in the public domain.


Yeah, I love Issuu. It's easy to set up, looks really nice, and can be embedded in any website. I actually use their viewer for http://www.DEADspotS.blogspot.com But, comiXology and Graphic.ly pay and offer more personal support. Go with them!

Now, cost-effective print publishers, where are THEY?!? That's what I really want to find. ComicsMonkey just does not seem to have high enough margins for what I want to do.
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Yeah most of the good anthologies I've read have been the fanzine art comic variety. I don't know that you really submit to those, so much as know the people who are wanting to make it, and you do something with them.

In response to the question in this thread, I'm just making comics. I still have to get a lot better before I can expect to make any kind of money off it, but my thing this year is to do a lot of short stories so I can do different styles and build up my toolkit, while building something in the end I can put out there as a cohesive album of short comics, while also having the ability to submit to random anthologies that come around.

We did an anthology from the board here awhile back incidentally. Jim O'Hara masterminded it. It was fun. If you are thinking about doing something like that, I'd PM him and get a run down of sort of "best practices" for making it work. I'd be fine with contributing, as I've already said, I'm doing short pieces anyways.

I think for an anthology to work though, you need to have a cohesive vision of what the unifying concept is that brings all of these stories together. For Jim's anthology, it was simply Millarworld. But there's been some pretty awesome themed anthologies. Thickness with it's indie porn slant. Rub the Blood which was an art comix take on the Image Era extreme comics, and was completely insane. If you come up with a fun concept that sells the anthology almost on it's own, you can probably actually move units outside of people on the board who contributed to it.


You know, I actually have a framing story for an anthology. Everyone on this other indie anthology loved the framing story, but the artist (awesomely-talented) flaked and it never saw print. I can send you the framing story and you can decide if you want to use it. What's your email address?

It's two or three pages for the intro and another two or three for the outro. The basic idea is that Amazon warriors are being sucked through a vortex of different stories. That could be this anthology's cohesive theme.
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I would prefer to write the piece that I draw.
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I would prefer to write the piece that I draw.


Oh, so you're one of those.

And by those I of course mean multi-talented genius' that put the rest of us to shame.

I wish I could draw but I have absolutely no skill. And really, I mean, I struggle with stick figures.

I'm dyspraxic so anything which involves good coordination I naturally suck at.

But there is something to be said for collaborating with others, I do find the process of working with someone else rewarding.

There's something really cool about seeing an artist bringing your words to life, but what is more interesting is when they do it in a way you didn't expect and it actually is far better than anything you actually thought when you were writing the script.

Which of course means you have to raise your game with your writing, which they again top with their art... and hopefully you end up with something way better than anything which either of you could've come up with seperately.

The two stories I'm getting published... I really am lucky to have worked with amazing artists on both.

'Conqueror' continues to be rewarding, and the artist for 'Projections' sneaked a bunch of cool little easter eggs into the strip.
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Oh, so you're one of those.

And by those I of course mean multi-talented genius' that put the rest of us to shame.

I wish I could draw but I have absolutely no skill. And really, I mean, I struggle with stick figures.
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I've only been doing the art side for like a year. I used to just do the writing side, but decided I wanted to teach myself to draw so I could do both, because it seemed the best way to get done what I wanted done. I still have a long ways to go, but if you saw how I drew a year ago, it's a pretty big improvement. It's just weird to me to do just the art side after only doing the art side because I couldn't afford an artist, or team up with one on what I wanted.

I have one project that I'm doing where I'm not the writer, and it's because the writer is literally one of my favorite writers in any medium. But past that, if I can help it I definitely prefer to draw what I write.
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Now, cost-effective print publishers, where are THEY?!? That's what I really want to find. ComicsMonkey just does not seem to have high enough margins for what I want to do.


I find it's cheaper to get A5 booklets printed and they still look goooooooood.
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