192 replies to this topic

[Arjan Dirkse]

I like it, mostly...but the football thing is a bit WTF. And it's still stupid that Bane isn't clearly audible (at least to my Dutch ears...)

Anne Hathaway seems absolutely stunning. I am not necessarily referring to her acting skills.

[Youri Zoutman]

I have zero problems understanding Bane.

[Stephen G]

I have a feeling that Alfred’s little monologue might refer to his failure to protect Bruce Wayne from becoming something like Batman in the first place…

I think that is a solid surmise, on your part. It's a sentiment Alfred has been known to make in the books, at various times, as well. But it appears that Alfred continues on with him as he looks a bit shaggy too, wherever they have the chat about the chant.

I am really looking forward to what Hans Zimmer does with the score as well. Both of the previous scores were riveting. Zimmer's redone Batman / Dark Knight theme is...amazing. I don't know if everyone here can feel music (most musicians know that I mean), but there is a feel to the theme that is unmistakable. The sound at the end of the trailer as the words appear is just gripping - and I hope that has a very prominent place, through out the movie!

I have zero problems understanding Bane.

I'm able to understand most of what he says...but I've honestly not put a great deal of effort into it, at this point.

[Steve Sensible]

Zimmer's redone Batman / Dark Knight theme is...amazing. I don't know if everyone here can feel music (most musicians know that I mean), but there is a feel to the theme that is unmistakable.

I'm pretty sure we all know what you mean by "feel", Stephen.

The sound at the end of the trailer as the words appear is just gripping - and I hope that has a very prominent place, through out the movie!

If you're talking about the sound as "The Dark Knight Rises" appears, it had a pretty prominent place in the first movie. It comes at the end of the track "Barbastella", and in the movie it's the moment where Bruce finally manages to conquer his fear of the bats as they swarm around him in the cave.

[Stephen G]

I'm pretty sure we all know what you mean by "feel", Stephen

I strive not to assume. I know a handful of people that don't really listen to music at all...so I didn't assume they'd feel it...but I digress - not the point.

Yes - that's the moment, RE: Barbastella. The sound has a fairly prominent role in the remainder of the soundtrack & is littered through out TDK. I'm very much looking forward to new uses of that sound. Zimmers score completes so many powerful moments...I cannot wait to get my hands on it.

[Trevor Robertson]

Great trailer. Doesn't give away too much, but gives some nice insight into the story as well as some of the themes Nolan will be exploring (I imagine "Occupy Gotham" will be trending on Twitter soon).

I love how each film has used a different color scheme in their advertisting:

Begins = Brown
Dark Knight = Blue
Rises = White.

And boy that one line from Bane was fantastic. Just as menacing and hype-inducing as Heath's classic "Why so serious?" Anne Hathaway sounds great as well; her monologue that sort of drives the main section of the trailer is really nicely delivered, and certainly has some thematic weight. Caine's section at the beginning is just heartbreaking and wonderful, as to be expected.

Can't wait.

Edited by Trevor Robertson, 20 December 2011 - 02:18 AM.

[Elliot Balson]

Man, so excited for this!

It'll be sad to see this series end, but it'll be a damn riot while we watch. Likely, in more ways than one if Hardy's Bane has his way.

[Tonycal]

Like many people I'm excited for this movie now! I wish it came out tomorrow. I agree with Trevor, I love the Bane line.

Did I say how excited I am? Well I am...

[Adam Balson]

Found this and I'm not entirely sure what the person who made it is trying to prove but here it is:



My only guess is she nicks it to mess with Bruce (because Bane asked her to?) when Wayne Manor gets raided?

[Steve Sensible]

Wow, that's impressively anal. They do seem to make a point of showing her putting the necklace on in the trailer.

It would certainly provide a reason for conflict between the two.

[Adam Balson]

Unless it was just a decent shot of her face to use as an example of who was all in the film? It does seem like a bit of a stretch but then again, Nolan does have a large attention to detail.

Might be in the same vein of making Raz Al Ghul more than one person and Joker having more than one reason behind his scars/having them in the first place. A nod to the comic reasoning while exaggerating it a bit and doing his own thing (and making it more believable).

[Steve Sensible]

Unless it was just a decent shot of her face to use as an example of who was all in the film? It does seem like a bit of a stretch but then again, Nolan does have a large attention to detail.

I don't think it's a stretch. It would be a huge coincidence, because they appear to be identical necklaces.

[Trevor Robertson]

Clearly intentional. It's the same neclace.

Edited by Trevor Robertson, 20 December 2011 - 11:07 AM.

[Stephen G]

I'm sure it's the same necklace - but I my guess is it's meant as a replica as meant to distract. That is part of Bane's game in the book, as well - epic distraction.

I saw some recorded footage of Catwoman and Batman hugging(?) or kissing (?) at one point, on youtube before batman gets in a vehicle & jets off. Makes me wonder if Catwoman will have a Rachel moment where she realizes that Bruce & Batman are one in the same.

[T Masters]

Someone pointed out that the story seems to share a lot with the 1980's Jim Starlin story Batman: The Cult, as well as Dark Knight Returns and Knightfall. Googled it and it seems to fit.

Curious to see how Catwoman, Talia and Ra's fit into all this.

[Chris D]

I hate that this movie is still 7 months away from release.

[steveuk]

'The Dark Knight Rises' Faces Big Problem: Audiences Can't Understand Villain
Sources say some at Warner Bros. want Christopher Nolan to change the sound mix in response to complaints that Bane's dialogue is hard to hear. But the filmmaker plans only to alter the sound slightly.

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Some audience members are grumbling that they can’t understand what Bane, the main villain in the final installment of the Christopher Nolan-helmed trilogy, is saying. Bane is a bad guy whose super-strength comes from a drug that he continuously inhales. In the prologue, the character, played by British actor Tom Hardy, is seen with a mask that covers his nose and mouth; his speech is garbled and muffled.

“A fantastic action sequence hurt by the fact that you cannot understand the villain at all,” commented one fan on Twitter. Others poked fun at the seven-minute prologue. “The Dark Knight Rises prologue was really great, especially when Bane spoke the soon-to-be-classic line: 'Mmrbl ffrmrff hmrbblfmm,'" wrote one.

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Sources close to the movie say Warner Bros. is very aware of the sound issue. One source working on the film says he is “scared to death” about “the Bane problem.” And with good reason. The last Batman film, 2008’s The Dark Knight, grossed more than $1 billion worldwide, and the studio doesn’t want anything to tamper with Rise’s chances for success.

Sources also say some at Warners would like Nolan to change the sound mix, but the filmmaker, whose autonomy is well-earned (his Inception earned the studio more than $800 million and eight Oscar nominations), has informed executives that he plans only to alter the sound slightly, not to rework it completely.

“Chris wants the audience to catch up and participate rather than push everything at them. He doesn't dumb things down," says one high-level exec, declining to be named. “You've got to pedal faster to keep up.”

Nolan said similar things to The Hollywood Reporter at the prologue’s unveiling during a press event Dec. 8, explaining that it was OK for a moviegoer not to understand what was said at times, as long as the overall idea was conveyed. The filmmaker is currently editing the movie and won't have a cut to show the studio for at least a couple pf months.

While Warners has supported Nolan’s wishes in the past, moviegoer complaints about the character could create pressure to make changes. Or the studio and Nolan can do nothing and hope that fan interest in The Dark Knight Rises outweighs any issues with understanding Bane's dialogue.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dark-knight-rises-christian-bale-batman-tom-hardy-bane-275489

[Arjan Dirkse]

http://www.hollywood...rdy-bane-275489

Haha oh dear...yeah I didn't think I could be the only one...

His line in the trailer I can decipher mostly, the "when Gotham [1 word I can't make out] ashes, I give you permission to die." But in the prologue it's just the moaning sound of a wounded animal to me. Or maybe that's just the quality of the bootleg?

[T Masters]

Yeah, I understood him in the trailer, but I understood about 50% of what he said in the bootleg prologue.

I think the hyper-realism kick only works if half-the-time the characters don't understand Bane as well. I mean, I kind of wished Aidan Gillen had just said "What?" when Bane started unveiling his master plan. "Say that again? You're going to do what to Gotham City? Annunciate damn you!"

[steveuk]

It's probably not as a big a deal behind the scenes as the rumours suggest. Nolan isn't an idiot.

Wanting the audience to pay attention to the plot isn't the same as having to subtitle a major character.