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[AlexRead]

Couldn't find the old thread so thought the premiere of season 4 deserved a new beginning. What did people think of the new episode? Not much happened really, seemed to just introduce Lincoln and help give a gist of the current state of affaris, although what do people think about the new 'visitors'?

[Ogul]

Yeah, it was a bit light after the chaos of the finale. I'm also not a huge fan of another "what's Pacey up to now?" season. I do like that we get some more Fauxlivia, and Lincoln does make for a good "newb" character to clue in viewers to the status quo, but nerd Lincoln kind of grates on me, he's got this eerie Crispin Glover quality to him. Also boo on the John Sheppard character's treatment.

[David Chapman]

Also note the orange credits, following on from blue for the main universe and red for the alternate universe. Time to start guessing what they mean.

[AlexRead]

I also think it a bit early to get rid of the John Shepard guy, this is Fringe after all. He was killed by a shapeshifter, im feeling some lincoln torment by a dead partner coming along...

[Jacowboy (Jonathan)]

Also note the orange credits, following on from blue for the main universe and red for the alternate universe. Time to start guessing what they mean.

Well that's easy, we're in an alternate version of "history", so it gets another color =P

Wow, last episode was very disturbing at the end with Walter =S

And good! They're finally moving it along... I don't want that whole Peter plot to last that much... We need to come back to the more pressing matters

[Eduardo]

Good that there is progress on the Where is Peter? plot.

BTW, Joshua Jackson is writing an online Fringe comic, available at comixology:

http://www.comixology.com/digital/series/7057

Beyond the Fringe is a 14 issue series, numbered 1-7 A & 1-7 B, released every two weeks.

Issues A deals with Peter between Season 3 & 4 (the first issue shows

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Future Peter traveling back in time to place the Machine's pieces

), Issues B deal with What If Scenarios? (Issue 1-B deals with "What if Peter never died?"). Jackson is writing issues A.

For reference only, the Fringe Expanded Universe:

- Fringe 0: A Comicon 2008 exclusive, you can read it for free at Comixology.

- Fringe 1-6: The first miniseries from Wildstorm, it deals with Bell & Bishop (how they meet, their experiments, etc.) Issues 1-5 have a short story dealing with miscellaneous Pattern Events. Collected in TPB.

- Tales from the Fringe 1-6: Second miniseries from Wildstorm, each issue focus on the past of one of the main characters (Peter, Broyles, Astrid, Nina, Gene & Olivia). Each issue has a short story dealing with a miscellanous Pattern Event. Collected in TPB.

- Tales from the Fringe - Online Graphic Novel 1-5: An animated webcomic split into 5 parts, it deals with background events from episode 3x10 The Firefly. Available at Hulu & FOX.

[Jacowboy (Jonathan)]

Well that's easy, we're in an alternate version of "history", so it gets another color =P

Actually I got another theory... if it's correct AND we get an alternateverse centric story before/if Peter comes back and they go back to the original timeline, we might get a green colored title.

Blue / Red - Orange / Green... based on color theory =P

[Eduardo]

Remember, the future was grey.

[AlexRead]

This weeks episode was good, but again I want more!! I understand they need to fill a few episodes but come on!!!

I do however like the changes in a few of the characters, John Noble as always is fantastic, but I like broyles this episode, there was something about him that made him colder, especially when he was willing to give up the boy so easily.

I *think* I read somewhere that basically this is a 4 episode arc, so im expecting peter to be back at the end of the next episode in one form or another, rather than just a reflection in a mirror...

[Jacowboy (Jonathan)]

Does anyone has the feeling that the Observers (minus the interfering one) seem to be going out of their way to ensure Peter dies? =S

I'm starting to think that those bald bastards may not be as "uninvolved" as they preach to be... And that Peter maight be waaay more important than he seems to be....

Anyways, I'm glas he's back, but I really hope we get back to the original time-line pronto... Walter's not as enjoyable without getting high and talking to Jean the cow =(

[Jason Hendriks]

Does anyone has the feeling that the Observers (minus the interfering one) seem to be going out of their way to ensure Peter dies? =S

I'm starting to think that those bald bastards may not be as "uninvolved" as they preach to be... And that Peter maight be waaay more important than he seems to be....

Peter was always supposed to die when he fell into the lake. The only reason he survived was because he was saved by an Observer, who aren't supposed to interfere, only observe. (Sort of like Marvel's Watchers?)

It was the action of that one Observer that messed up the timeline, allowing Peter to grow into adulthood.

[Eduardo]

Peter was always supposed to die when he fell into the lake. The only reason he survived was because he was saved by an Observer, who aren't supposed to interfere, only observe. (Sort of like Marvel's Watchers?)

It was the action of that one Observer that messed up the timeline, allowing Peter to grow into adulthood.

I think the central point is the turning on of the machine, and that the Observers are linked to the outcome of the two universes working together.

I have doubts about the original timeline, and how it was supposed to happen.

Peter was in mortal danger due to the Observer' interference, which distracted Walternate from finding the antidote. That prompted Walter from our side to cross over, to save him after losing his Peter.

And Peter was saved in the water by the Observer to fix this interference. So Peter was supposed to live for some time at least in the other universe.

Which goes to make me wonder about how was the original timeline supposed to play before the Observer's two interferences.

[Paul F]

No new episode tonight, because Texas are bad at baseball or something.

[Ogul]

I hate baseball, it ruins the fall line-up for at least a week, and that's more than baseball deserves the power to do.

[Jacowboy (Jonathan)]

I think the central point is the turning on of the machine, and that the Observers are linked to the outcome of the two universes working together.

I have doubts about the original timeline, and how it was supposed to happen.

Peter was in mortal danger due to the Observer' interference, which distracted Walternate from finding the antidote. That prompted Walter from our side to cross over, to save him after losing his Peter.

And Peter was saved in the water by the Observer to fix this interference. So Peter was supposed to live for some time at least in the other universe.

Which goes to make me wonder about how was the original timeline supposed to play before the Observer's two interferences.

Yeah but that's my point... We assume that the observer saved Peter in the lake because he felt bad about distracting Walternate so he wouldn't find the cure... But from what we've heard, the "mistake" that got "corrected" is Peter not being saved in the lake... which means the Observer still distracted Walternate from finding the cure for Peter, thus inciting Walter to cross over anyways and start the conflict between both worlds.

Wouldn't it have been much easier for the observer to not distract Walternate in the first place, since one would think that was his original interference? The one that caused the whole situation to snowball from there?

Which leads me to think that distracting Walternate was actually part of the Observers' plan. And seeing that for some reason I seem to remember that they said something about many Peters dying of the same cause (which was a very rare condition to begin with), it would seem that one Peter surviving is a problem for those guys...

Up to now, the only obvserver who's interfered to help Peter is the one we've seen since the begining, and he seems to be having some moral issues... The others seem bent on having Peter not exist... Why would they go to so much trouble to erase all trace of Peter if they're only 'observers'?

Plus hey, we've seem other observers interfere... like hell they're only observing... they've been doing a whole lot more since the begining of the series... There was the weird machine they had burrowed somewhere for starters... why would they need to plant gizmos anywhere if they're only obvserving? I'm thinking the observers might end up being the villains here... and our 'famous' obvserver might be the rebel one that'll help the Fringe guys...

[Ogul]

Well, it's pretty clear that they have some agenda, but it may not be an "evil" one. For all we know the future they're trying to ensure/cause is the best possible one. Of course, in most fiction the main characters are the "good guys" so we'll likely end up rooting for them even if the path they're on is a bad one.

[Paul F]

This week's episode was brilliant. Wish it had aired before Christmas like it was meant to.

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I'm glad I missed Harris's name in the credits. Was great to see David Robert Jones again. He was my favourite part of Season One.

[Sean Robinson]

Is everyone still watching?

Just watched Friday's episode. Well now, that was quite interesting.
Unexpected time, unexpected cameo, unexpected actor from LOST, and really making me think we have a new set-up for season 5 (if there is one, I haven't heard yet).

Looking at the Observers in a new light...

[Eduardo]

Please get renewed, please get renewed.

[Ogul]

Very interesting episode, although the last second reveal was obvious from the start, it was still touching when it happened.