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[Nicholas Taggart]

I don't know about that. I don't see anything wrong with Overeem not wanting to grapple with Werdum. He was actually doing very well striking. I think Overeem was pretty obviously worried about getting in close and played it very safe.

He was outstruck by Werdum. Werdum landed more shots and a lot of them looked very solid. He hit Overeem with some really good combinations. I know that he was able to do this in large part due to Overeem being afraid of being taken down by Werdum, but it is still the case. And his standup defence was shockingly bad. Werdum should not have been able to hit him flush in the head as many times as he did. Overeem seemed pretty content to just try and counter punch. He didn't really DO anything in the fight.

I thought Overeem's posing got pretty pathetic. Posing is somewhat justifiable when you are dominating your opponent. Jumping up from being on top of your opponent and running to a safe distance and flexing your muscles is not impressive. I get not wanting to grapple with Werdum but he should have tried to do something. Cain or dos Santos would have.

I think you have to give the decision to Overeem because of Werdum's playing possum tactics but Werdum's ability to hit Overeem in the head that many times impressed me way more than anything Overeem did in the fight. Both guys believed the hype of their opponent and were scared to fight their opponent's fight, but at least Werdum did some effective striking. Overeem didn't try anything when he was on top of Werdum.

[Mike Collins]

Yeah I was agreeing Werdum outstruck him. Overeem seemed to have no respect for his power though but still you don't want to just let someone punch you in the face.

I don't know what Cain of Junior would have done honestly. I don't know that Junior would go to the ground against a far superior grappler. I didn't find Overeem posing as much as showing frstration at Werdum's constant laying on the ground. I was impressed with how strong Overeem is by shrugging off all but a few of the takedowns.

Really at the end of the day I think it's just a case of a fighter being overly cautious which happens a lot in hyped matches.

[jefferson l.o.b sergeant]

He was outstruck by Werdum. Werdum landed more shots and a lot of them looked very solid. He hit Overeem with some really good combinations. I know that he was able to do this in large part due to Overeem being afraid of being taken down by Werdum, but it is still the case. And his standup defence was shockingly bad. Werdum should not have been able to hit him flush in the head as many times as he did. Overeem seemed pretty content to just try and counter punch. He didn't really DO anything in the fight.

I thought Overeem's posing got pretty pathetic. Posing is somewhat justifiable when you are dominating your opponent. Jumping up from being on top of your opponent and running to a safe distance and flexing your muscles is not impressive. I get not wanting to grapple with Werdum but he should have tried to do something. Cain or dos Santos would have.

I think you have to give the decision to Overeem because of Werdum's playing possum tactics but Werdum's ability to hit Overeem in the head that many times impressed me way more than anything Overeem did in the fight. Both guys believed the hype of their opponent and were scared to fight their opponent's fight, but at least Werdum did some effective striking. Overeem didn't try anything when he was on top of Werdum.

Ubereem dominated every aspect of that fight.

Ubereem threw Werdum around like a small child at will. He had the more powerful strikes and was able to counter the 3 takedowns that Werdum was barely able to pull off.

The onus wasn't on Ubereem but Werdum to press the action. Werdum did nothing after each takedown attempt failed. Those punches were to the top of Overeem's head while he was crouching for power.

I can see at least 4 times right now in my mind when Overeem floored Werdum with single punches, when did Werdum do that with his striking?

Get that giant-sized Japan style trophy ready because Ubereem is going to win the tournament.

[Nicholas Taggart]

Yeah I was agreeing Werdum outstruck him.

Ah, gotcha.

Overeem seemed to have no respect for his power though but still you don't want to just let someone punch you in the face.

He should have respected his power. This wasn't like one of those Chris Leben fights where people are punching Leben and he keeps walking forward like a zombie, there were several exchanges where Werdum was hitting Overeem and Overeem was backing up with his head down and his arms up to block the blows. He'll need better defence than that if he wants to fight the top UFC heavyweights.

And it isn't like Overeem is Dan Henderson. He has been knocked out before. Putting on a load of muscle doesn't make him not have the same chin as the guy that Sergei Kharitonov and Shogun (among others) knocked out in the first round.

I don't know what Cain of Junior would have done honestly.

I think Cain's wrestling would be able to neutralize Werdum's submission attempts from the bottom. But generally I just don't see either of them repeatedly running away from Werdum's guard and just standing there waiting for him to slowly get up like Overeem did. If Overeem was the number one heavyweight in the world like he claims to be he wouldn't have just done what he did and wouldn't have just let Werdum do what he did.

I didn't find Overeem posing as much as showing frstration at Werdum's constant laying on the ground. I was impressed with how strong Overeem is by shrugging off all but a few of the takedowns.

I was too (although Werdum doesn't have good takedowns), he showed he had the strength not to not be totally outgrappled by Werdum (until the third round anyway, when he seemed to lose that strength). Shame he didn't actually try and do anything with it. With the way he was acting you would think that if even his pinky toe touched Werdum while he was on his back it would be an instant submission. Like Werdum turns into a giant block of kryptonite when he hits the ground and Overeem becomes helpless. But that clearly isn't the case.



I think that to some extent Werdum cost himself the fight because of his tactics/theatrics. Despite doing well in the standup there was no way that someone who did all the goofy flopping on his back and pulling guard was going to get the decision.

I can see at least 4 times right now in my mind when Overeem floored Werdum with single punches, when did Werdum do that with his striking?

You mean the instances where Werdum took huge, over the top, pro wrestling comedy bumps in the hopes that Overeem would think he was hurt and jump onto him like Fedor did and get submitted? I'll give Overeem credit for knowing he hadn't actually hurt Werdum and not jumping into a trap. I think he should have at least tried something but he was wise not to do that.

Edited by Nicholas Taggart, 19 June 2011 - 03:19 PM.

[Mike Collins]

What are you thinking about Hendo vs. Fedor?

Personally I am ridiculously excited for it. Hendo is probably my favorite MMA fighter ever. I would say though that I think Fedor is all but shot and a loss to Dan might truly be the end for him. I have visions of Dan landing that insane over the top right

[Nicholas Taggart]

What are you thinking about Hendo vs. Fedor?

Personally I am ridiculously excited for it. Hendo is probably my favorite MMA fighter ever. I would say though that I think Fedor is all but shot and a loss to Dan might truly be the end for him. I have visions of Dan landing that insane over the top right

I am really looking forward to it. I have seen some people bizarrely down on the fight but I think it is a great match up. I am much more of a Hendo fan than a Fedor fan but I will admit that I think that prime Hendo would have probably lost to prime Fedor. However I think that Hendo has evolved with the sport to a much greater degree and has done a better job staying truly relevant. He has definitely had better wins in the last few years than Fedor. So I have no idea how this is going to turn out.

I am thinking one of these guys gets knocked out, which might be a crazy thing to expect but it just feels like it could happen.

Off the top of my head I can't even think of a time when Hendo has been significantly wobbled by a strike. When I watched his last fight I thought it happened but rewatching it I did think it seemed more like he slipped on the logo in the middle of the cage.

Recently I rewatched the fight he had with Anderson Silva. What a shame he ran out of gas in that fight, he was doing great in the first round. Pretty crazy in retrospect to see Henderson take this kick and keep moving forward

[Will]

What are you thinking about Hendo vs. Fedor?

Personally I am ridiculously excited for it. Hendo is probably my favorite MMA fighter ever. I would say though that I think Fedor is all but shot and a loss to Dan might truly be the end for him. I have visions of Dan landing that insane over the top right

Fedor needs to win this one but I think it's Hendo's to lose.

Either way I think its going to be a great one.

[jefferson l.o.b sergeant]

Fedor knocks out Hendo in the first RD.

There is no way that Henderson stops Fedor.

[Mike Collins]

So we should take it to the bank that not only does Hendo win but he KO's Fedor.

[jefferson l.o.b sergeant]

So we should take it to the bank that not only does Hendo win but he KO's Fedor.

Mock Jeffrodamus at your own peril!!!

[Nicholas Taggart]

James Toney and Ken Shamrock are having an MMA fight on the 23rd of September. A trainwreck waiting to happen.

[Nicholas Taggart]

DAKOTA COUNTY, Minn. - Major-league Mixed Martial Artist and Apple Valley, Minn. resident Brett Rogers was arrested and jailed in connection with assaulting his wife Wednesday in their south metro home. She was reportedly strangled, punched repeatedly in the head and face and lost a tooth in the struggle.

Brett Charles Rogers, 30, has been charged with assault in the third degree, domestic assault by strangulation and pattern of stalking conduct -- all felonies --in Dakota County. He was also charged with endangerment of a child, a gross misdameanor.

His wife blacked out from being choked, suffered a golf ball sized wound on her face among smaller wounds. The couples daughter had tried to intervene after she saw Rogers strike her mother.

Rogers admits he had been drinking before an argument broke out with he and his wife. He claims she punched him and he returned force.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/Minn.-MMA-Fighter-Rogers-Charged-in-Wife-Beating-jun-30-2011


From the police report:

Rogers permitted the officers to look for T.R. inside the residence but she could not be located. A neighbor reported that he had looked out his residence window and saw Rogers standing over T.R. and punching her multiple times in the head and face as she lay on the ground. Another neighbor stated he saw T.R. with blood streaming from her face and mouth and what looked like a missing tooth. Rogers’ nine-year old daughter reported that she had heard her parents yelling, she went to the kitchen, and saw her father pushing her mother multiple times up against a kitchen cabinet. The girl reported she shouted for her father to stop. Rogers’ ten-year old daughter reported that she heard the shouting, and had seen her father strike her mother in the past. She also reported that her father had struck the children within the last two years.


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T.R. repeatedly denied that she had been assaulted and said she had simply fallen on the ground.

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Rogers and T.R.’s children, who had been staying with a neighbor while their mother was in the hospital, told the neighbor that they were afraid to go home, and that their father had “choked” them in the past.

http://services.co.dakota.mn.us/complaintSearch/complaint.aspx?ID=11206


Horrific.

[Noel Luperon]

Sad way to go. He's been cut from Strikeforce now in separate (but unsurprising) news.

[Nicholas Taggart]

Wouldn't want to be the guy who has to pick knockout of the night for this show.

[Noel Luperon]

Ladies- a friendly reminder that FEDOR vs HENDO is on tomorrow on Showtime.

I'm also very much looking forward to MARLOES COENEN vs MIESHA TATE, with both of them trying to make a case for women's MMA in a Zuffa-owned world now and TYRON WOODLEY vs PAUL DALEY; where Daley comes as much more experienced but still very one-dimensional as a striker vs the promising young wrestler Woodley who is looking to climb the ladder up.

Very excited about this card. Hope to read your thoughts about it.

[Nicholas Taggart]

Overeem has been cut from Strikeforce

[Mike Collins]

Interesting that on the same day Strikeforce cuts him, he releases the next piece in his documentary saying he has a broken rib and that's why he couldn't fight in September.

I wonder if Hendo ko's Fedor tonight if they ask him to join the Grand Prix

[jefferson l.o.b sergeant]

Fedor VS Henderson

This is what happens.

The Emperor has been hurt but he is still alive. Looking at Fedor's two losses there is really very little that makes Henderson a favorite against him. Fedor had Werdum until he foolishly rushed in and against Silva he simply was outmuscled by a beast.

Fedor still has the chin, handspeed, and power to take Henderson.

Henderson looks refreshed and his stamina seems to have improved.

Winner- RD 1 FEDOR KO

[Will]

So that means Henderson wins a decision.

[Mike Collins]

Fedor knocks out Hendo in the first RD.

There is no way that Henderson stops Fedor.

You were saying...

Hendo knocked Fedor stiff. He was out cold before his face hit the mat.