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On the subject of Romney gaffes... From the NY Times:

August 1, 2012

Romney Hasn’t Done His Homework

By JARED DIAMOND

Los Angeles

MITT ROMNEY’S latest controversial remark, about the role of culture in explaining why some countries are rich and powerful while others are poor and weak, has attracted much comment. I was especially interested in his remark because he misrepresented my views and, in contrasting them with another scholar’s arguments, oversimplified the issue.
It is not true that my book “Guns, Germs and Steel,” as Mr. Romney described it in a speech in Jerusalem, “basically says the physical characteristics of the land account for the differences in the success of the people that live there. There is iron ore on the land and so forth.”

That is so different from what my book actually says that I have to doubt whether Mr. Romney read it. My focus was mostly on biological features, like plant and animal species, and among physical characteristics, the ones I mentioned were continents’ sizes and shapes and relative isolation. I said nothing about iron ore, which is so widespread that its distribution has had little effect on the different successes of different peoples. (As I learned this week, Mr. Romney also mischaracterized my book in his memoir, “No Apology: Believe in America.”)

That’s not the worst part. Even scholars who emphasize social rather than geographic explanations — like the Harvard economist David S. Landes, whose book “The Wealth and Poverty of Nations” was mentioned favorably by Mr. Romney — would find Mr. Romney’s statement that “culture makes all the difference” dangerously out of date. In fact, Mr. Landes analyzed multiple factors (including climate) in explaining why the industrial revolution first occurred in Europe and not elsewhere.

Just as a happy marriage depends on many different factors, so do national wealth and power. That is not to deny culture’s significance. Some countries have political institutions and cultural practices — honest government, rule of law, opportunities to accumulate money — that reward hard work. Others don’t. Familiar examples are the contrasts between neighboring countries sharing similar environments but with very different institutions. (Think of South Korea versus North Korea, or Haiti versus the Dominican Republic.) Rich, powerful countries tend to have good institutions that reward hard work. But institutions and culture aren’t the whole answer, because some countries notorious for bad institutions (like Italy and Argentina) are rich, while some virtuous countries (like Tanzania and Bhutan) are poor.

A different set of factors involves geography, which embraces many more aspects than the physical characteristics Mr. Romney dismissed. One such geographic factor is latitude, which has big effects on wealth and power today: tropical countries tend to be poorer than temperate-zone countries. Reasons include the debilitating effects of tropical diseases on life span and work, and the average lower productivity of agriculture and soils in the tropics than in the temperate zones.
A second factor is access to the sea. Countries without a seacoast or big navigable rivers tend to be poor, because transport costs overland or by air are much higher than transport costs by sea.

A third geographic factor is the history of agriculture. If an extraterrestrial had toured earth in the year 2000 B.C., the visitor would have noticed that centralized government, writing and metal tools were already widespread in Eurasia but hadn’t yet appeared in the New World, sub-Saharan Africa or Australia. That long head start would have let the visitor predict correctly that today, most of the world’s richest and most powerful countries would be Eurasian countries (and their overseas settlements in North America, Australia and New Zealand).

The reason is the historical effect of geography: 13,000 years ago, all peoples everywhere were hunter-gatherers living in sparse populations without centralized government, armies, writing or metal tools. These four roots of power arose as consequences of the development of agriculture, which generated human population explosions and accumulations of food surpluses capable of feeding full-time leaders, soldiers, scribes and inventors. But agriculture could originate only in those few regions endowed with many wild plant and animal species suitable for domestication, like wild wheat, rice, pigs and cattle.

In short, geographic explanations and cultural-institutional explanations aren’t independent of each other. Of course, not all agricultural regions developed honest centralized government, but no nonagricultural region ever developed any centralized government, whether honest or dishonest. That’s why institutions promoting wealth today arose first in Eurasia, the area with the oldest and most productive agriculture.

What does this mean for Americans? Can we assume that the United States, blessed with temperate location and seacoasts and navigable rivers, will remain rich forever, while tropical or landlocked countries are doomed to eternal poverty?

Of course not. Some tropical and subtropical countries have become richer despite geographic limitations. They’ve invested in public health to overcome their disease burdens (Botswana and the Philippines). They’ve invested in crops adapted to the tropics (Brazil and Malaysia). They’ve focused their economies on sectors other than agriculture (Singapore and Taiwan).

Conversely, geographic advantages don’t guarantee permanent success, as the growing difficulties in Europe and America show. We Americans fail to provide superior education and economic incentives to much of our population. India, China and other countries that have not been world leaders are investing heavily in education, technology and infrastructure. They’re offering economic opportunities to more and more of their citizens. That’s part of the reason jobs are moving overseas. Our geography won’t keep us rich and powerful if we can’t get a good education, can’t afford health care and can’t count on our hard work’s being rewarded by good jobs and rising incomes.
Mitt Romney may become our next president. Will he continue to espouse one-factor explanations for multicausal problems, and fail to understand history and the modern world? If so, he will preside over a declining nation squandering its advantages of location and history.

Jared Diamond, a professor of geography at the University of California, Los Angeles, is the author of the forthcoming book “The World Until Yesterday: What Can We Learn From Traditional Societies?”




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And all of the Tea Party honestly believes in this shit. They really believe "Starving the beast" and getting rid of government apparatus is the best solution, and somehow the poor will take care of itself. They never define that last part of "how" and the ones that are smart enough to know that they never defined how, are the true sociopaths.


And worst yet, it's not even about not caring about the poor, it's about not caring about themselves. The vast majority of people who claim to support Romney would be hurt by his policies more than under Obama. Unless you're in the top 2% of earners, which, doing the math here, something around 98% of Americans are not, you would see your taxes go UP under Romney, not down. You would also have a harder time getting and maintaining adequate healthcare. And most economists agree that while Wall Street might do great under Romney-esc policies (not that it hasn't done great under Obama), unless you're a hedgefund manager you'd be far less likely to see any benefit from that, since all the money would be going straight to the top on an express elevator.

So I really have to ask Republicans that still vote for Republican candidates, "why do you keep hitting yourself?"

And btw, every time the debate on the Bush tax cuts come up, Republicans complain about "small businesses." Why can't we fix that? Why are small businesses allowed to file as individuals in the first place? Why not just create a new taxation class, the "Small Business" class, which anyone who currently qualifies to file their business as an individual could use, and which has all the same qualities and rates that they currently enjoy, but it clearly defines them as a business. If you want to have any employees that fall outside the realms of home maintenance and that sort of thing, you'd need to file as a "Small Business." If you wanted to take any income to use for non-business expenses, you'd have to file that income in your personal taxes. I should think that this simple change would take all the wind out of that argument.

With this change, any tax cuts directed at individuals who make more than $250K per year would only apply to those small businesses in which the boss is taking out over $250K per year for his own personal use, not to put back into improving the business. Any money he intended to keep in the business would be taxed at the small business rates, which could be made as harsh or as friendly as was determined necessary but would have no relationship with the individual tax rates. And if a small business owner is personally taking $250 off the top, then more power to him, but I don't see why the government should give him bonus candy for that, as he's clearly then not spending that money to "create jobs," and the government only has an interest in subsidizing "job creators" in so far as they are actually creating jobs. If a "job creator" takes in $1m per year and uses it to hire 15 people at $60k per year, then give that man some bonus candy. If he takes in $1m per year and spends it all on luxury goods for his own benefit, then no bonus candy for him, he's clearly taking care of himself plenty well.
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And all of the Tea Party honestly believes in this shit. They really believe "Starving the beast" and getting rid of government apparatus is the best solution, and somehow the poor will take care of itself. They never define that last part of "how" and the ones that are smart enough to know that they never defined how, are the true sociopaths.


It's interesting to see how Fox has manipulated the country. Starving the beast was a Republican strategy since the 70's. And there's a place where it's appropriate. It's easy for cities and agencies to become fax on tax money, spend more every year and drive up costs. And there is evidence that funds kept to a conservative government aren't used as well as funds in private accounts. However, those people should be the middle class, not the rich.

The tea party though - they've gone mad. Dick Army's Frankenstein creature, and Fox News propaganda. I wonder if the entire movement is a strategy to combat against Obama. James Carville predicted 40 years of Democrat rule with Obama and the demographics of voters in the 2008 election. And his math was spot on. However, Obama lost just 2 years later, and that happened by increasing the participation of the minority demographic - old white people and the boomers. They're voting in primaries and mid terms with much more passion than before. Even now, with the worse candidate in years, Republicans are still holding fast to their 40%.

It makes me ask the question: did the tea party fever happen because Obama was elected or because the financial system shit itself?
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It makes me ask the question: did the tea party fever happen because Obama was elected or because the financial system shit itself?


I don't think much of the Tea Party people understands the financial meltdown, and truly doesn't understand how close everything came to shitting the bed........ and I think the fact that it was always going to be either a guy who doesn't pay lip service to capitalism, or Hilary Clinton, winning the presidency, created the fever.



Chewy....................................................... the banking system really needs to be fixed....but that's just not gonna happen given the current climate.
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I think the Dem options for 2008 being a black man or a woman was a Rubicon for many older conservatives. Should Obama or Clinton be elected, then they would no longer be (in their minds) reflected in their president. For the first time in history, a white man would not be in charge. For the first time in history, the fate of the nation would rest on the shoulders of an "other".

And then you get your Grady Warrens stirring the mob, and you get the conservative elite gleefully programming them.
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At least four people killed in shooting at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin
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Sean Penn joings Chavez on the campaign trail...


Chavez, you can keep him. He's a douchebag and won't be missed.
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At least four people killed in shooting at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin


Police searched the apartment early on Monday of a gunman who killed six people at a Sikh temple in southern Wisconsin, looking for clues to his motive.

A policeman called to the scene shot dead the gunman before he could fire on even more worshippers as they prepared for Sunday services at the temple in the suburb of Oak Creek, south of Milwaukee.

Three other people were in hospital with grave injuries, including another policeman who had responded to the scene.
Authorities said they were treating the attack as an act of domestic terrorism.

The identity of the tall, bald, white suspect in his 40s was not immediately released. The names of the victims also were not made public pending notification of relatives, although members said the president of the congregation and a priest were among the victims.
CNN, citing a law enforcement source involved in the investigation, said the gunman was an Army veteran.

Authorities said the gunman had used a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun, which was recovered at the scene. They were trying to track the origin of the weapon.

Wisconsin has some of the most permissive gun laws in the country and had passed a law in 2011 allowing citizens to carry a concealed weapon.

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American Sikhs said they have often been singled out for harassment, and occasionally violent attack, since the September 11, 2001 attacks because of their colourful turbans and beards.

The 2001 attacks were carried out by Muslims linked to the al Qaeda militant group led by Osama bin Laden. Sikhs are not Muslim but many Americans do not know the difference, members of the Sikh community said.


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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/seven-dead-shooting-sikh-temple-wisconsin-010146022.html
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NPR are reporting the shooter as a white supremacist who used to sing in a band espousing his ideals
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Its motherfuckers like the shooter that gets my inner totalitarian riled up. I understand that law enforcement shouldn't be granted unlimited investigation rights, but that seems to be the only way to prevent this kind of person to do this kind of shit.




Chewy......................................... what is it about the american society that initiates so much more gun violence than canda? Seriously, someone needs to fund a crazy huge study to answer that question.
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Maybe we don't need the study Chewy, maybe we just need a Donald Sutherland quote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/9130828/Donald-Sutherland-The-Hunger-Games-could-be-the-most-influential-American-film-since-I-cant-remember.html

“You know Robertson Davies, the author?” he asks. “Someone asked him the difference between the United States and Canada and he said it was the frontiers. ‘In the United States, the frontier was the far west and the hero was an outlaw. In Canada, the frontier was the far north and the hero was a mounted policeman.”


Is this true when applied to guns? In one country they're identified as a tool of law and in the other they're a tool to defy the law?

On the other hand, this is perhaps too simple a generalisation, so yeah, we need that study!
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I don't know that the outlaw is an American hero, but the vigilante certainly is. While we occasionally reward likeable rogues that "get away with it," I don't think we do so out of proportion to other countries. We do tend to reward those who take justice in their own hands though, and take out those that are agreed to be "bad guys" even without any state sanction to do so. But then, Robin Hood predates us by centuries. We do tend, on average, to view sanctioned law enforcement a bit skeptically, as more likely to be corrupt or incompetent or hamstrung by regulation. While most of us have a healthy respect for law enforcement, I don't think anyone over the age of ten really regards them as a pinnacle of virtue and justice.
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I think the cowboy as romantic legend thing is a big part of it. Especially as it was relatively recent in American history.
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Chewy......................................... what is it about the american society that initiates so much more gun violence than canda? Seriously, someone needs to fund a crazy huge study to answer that question.

I don't know if America would like to know the results:

1) A much too large military that has such low qualification standards that any unsuitable asshole can spend 3 years learning how to handle and shoot guns on the government's dime and then be cast out to wander aimlessly with few other valuable skills.
2) Encouraged isolationism/tribalism that deliberately fuels divisiveness between geographies, skin color and religions.
3) A conflict driven media consortium, with a narrative that dumbifies complex issues into them vs us in a cynical attempt to fuel profits.
4) An American public too afraid to stand up to idiots, hate mongers and wolf-criers for fear it might remove them from their accepted social tribe.
5) A woefully inadequate education system too focused on sports, nationalism and superficial subjects, with little focus being placed on excellence in academics.
6) A pig ignorant society content to get fat and stupid while living in their own perception of reality, with no humility or self awareness to want to learn and explore what might be different or uncomfortable to their world view.
7) An employment marketplace that devalues every job as much as possible, stagnates wages and a system that makes off shoring so much cheaper that it's actually punitive to hire locals.
8) A healthcare system that doesn't support mental health treatment in all it's various shapes and forms, in an environment where most people are encouraged to believe they're right rather than being psychopaths who are full of shit.
9) A culture where it's not okay to say 'I don't know.'
10) A country that's so wealthy that you can be as dumb as pigshit and you'll still never go hungry or have a tough life. It's a country without consequences.

But more than that, the biggest difference that I can see is a removal from the concept of the community. Rather the country is made up of individuals removed from the town social circle either because of a migratory population or the ease of which it is to stay removed and isolated in such a large country.
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It makes me ask the question: did the tea party fever happen because Obama was elected or because the financial system shit itself?


The tea party fever was because a Democrat was elected president. If you look back to 1994-96, the GOP talking points were exactly the same as they are now. It was the tea party without the handy media catchphrase for it and an organizer/mouthpiece like FOX News. "Government spending is out of control" is just what the Republican party turns to when they're not in power (and then ignore when they are in power), just like "the military is out of control" is what Democrats turn to when they're not in power (and then ignore when they are in power).

Obviously the racist aspect of the tea party is specific to Obama, but something like the tea party would have happened no matter who was in the Oval Office, as long as he or she was a Democrat.
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NPR are reporting the shooter as a white supremacist who used to sing in a band espousing his ideals


The gunman who killed six people at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin before being shot to death by police was identified Monday as a 40-year-old Army veteran and former leader of a white supremacist heavy metal band.


Huh. Well, at least, this time the media can focus, instead of video games and heavy metal in general, on supremacist heavy metal.

All the usual reasons aside, I wonder if (the subjective feeling of?) these things happening more often currently is not a result of the way society has been going recently. There'll always be people who go insane, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happens more often in a world with fewer social services, less belief in community and one generally shaken by world-wide economic crises.
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The tea party fever was because a Democrat was elected president. If you look back to 1994-96, the GOP talking points were exactly the same as they are now. It was the tea party without the handy media catchphrase for it and an organizer/mouthpiece like FOX News. "Government spending is out of control" is just what the Republican party turns to when they're not in power (and then ignore when they are in power), just like "the military is out of control" is what Democrats turn to when they're not in power (and then ignore when they are in power).

Obviously the racist aspect of the tea party is specific to Obama, but something like the tea party would have happened no matter who was in the Oval Office, as long as he or she was a Democrat.

That's the part I don't understand. How do so many Americans make the tea party political stance work in their own heads? I've heard the customary 'I never liked Bush' but there's no honesty in thinking the GOP are financially responsible. Are a large part of Americans living in denial, or are they ignorant of the reality? How can so many people be falling for this nonsense? It's like a cult or mass brainwashing. I've never seen anything like it. How can everything they stand for not fall apart under the slightest introspection?

Has politics become a religion? Is voting for the GOP now a matter of faith over reason?
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The Tea Party position is definitely religion. Trickle Down economics, global warming denial, numerous Conservative tropes only function if you can disassociate yourself from reality. Fortunately for them, there's a significant overlap between Republicans and evangelicals, America is chock full of people willing to believe in angels, willing to disbelieve evolution, we have a surplus of culturally accepted nutters. So we're faced with a political party that can make claims that they are under no obligation to back up using any sort of facts or science, they can say that up is down and have a ready-made audience willing to take that claim at face value. There's really no way to compete with that.
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Just to clarify I think the Democrats have faith based voters too. Folks who think guns can be banned or single payer is an option or environmental corrections are realistic. From what can tell the US really has just one government and one political philosophy on all these divisive subjects. Hell, Obamacare is a Republican idea - and probably the only realistic idea for health care reform. It just shocks me that so many people think it can be any different.
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Just to clarify I think the Democrats have faith based voters too. Folks who think guns can be banned or single payer is an option or environmental corrections are realistic.


I think we're more realistic. Our goals tend to be politically unrealistic, stuff that is almost impossible to pass in the current political climate, but stuff that is practically realistic, in that if it could get passed, it would actually work and do a lot of good for a lot of people. The Republican dogma, on the other hand, is stuff that's actually fairly easy to pass, because it all sounds easy and simple, and in most cases already has been passed, it just doesn't actually work and just ends up making everything worse for most people.
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