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[Lucian Von Dooom]

This is really cool.

Using dimmensions from Plato, The Code by Carl Munck and Athanasius Kircher's map he has pinpointed the exact location proven through geomathematics.

[Lucian Von Dooom]

After watching the Code by Carl Munck I am even more convinced that Danny Wilten has in fact found the lost city of Atlantis. Using dimensions from Plato, The Code by Carl Munck and Athanasius Kircher's map he has pinpointed the exact location proven through geomathematics.

I don't know how anyone could digest the data Carl Munck has presented and not think that it is an absolutely incredible discovery. He has proven through geomathematics that many of the great structural wonders of the planet were in fact encoded with directions to every other great structural wonder on the planet as well as extremely advanced mathematical lessons built in.

Part 1 (These can be difficult to sit through but what he shows us is truly amazing.)



Part 2



Part 3

[Craig MacD]

Don't have time to watch all those videos right now, but time and again people have claimed to have discovered Atlantis.

So far as I can tell, it's all just a story.

Or a hotel resort in the Bahamas. Take your pick.

[craggy]

it's the capital of Georgia, in the US, silly!

[Nicholas Taggart]

Ok, I just watched a fair bit of this first Carl Munck video. You can make any number into any other number you want then justify it by coming up with some kind of story behind why you are doing it. Which is what he is doing (apart when when he doesn't even bother coming up with an explination).

[Ogul]

Using dimmensions from Plato, The Code by Carl Munck and Athanasius Kircher's map he has pinpointed the exact location proven through geomathematics.

I don't have time to watch the videos either, but long story short, did they actually find anything at that location, or is it just an empty spot of ocean that math says is where Atlantis should be?

[Todd Gross]

I haven't watched the videos yet but I watched a show that pretty much said Crete was Atlantis.


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[Arjan Dirkse]

There's been a lot of scientists and speculating on wether Atlantis existed, or wether there was some civilization which has inspired the story of Atlantis. Crete has been called a candidate, or Santorini, or the Azores or Canary Islands or even such far away places as the Bahamas or Antarctica or some sunken island off the coast of India.

I am not sure about the undeniability of the evidence in question, guess I have to leave it up to the people who actually learned about that stuff.

[Ogul]

Well, there are a number of solid theories. 1. It never existed at all and was just a metaphor, no more real than Narnia. 2. It was an island called Theira or Santorini that had a catastrophic volcanic eruption that annihilated a large chunk of the island and buried the other half in ash, including a once thriving town that they found a few decades back. 3. It's basically Crete, or 4. there's a series of fairly rectangular stones in the Bahamas that look a bit like a paved road of some kind, which some people insist is an element of Atlantis, but could as easily be an unusual but still natural occurrence. I'd love to find some sort of fully intact majestic city somewhere, but chances are even if we did find Atlantis it'd just be some random huts.

[Lucian Von Dooom]

I don't have time to watch the videos either, but long story short, did they actually find anything at that location, or is it just an empty spot of ocean that math says is where Atlantis should be?

Well the video in the first post (before the code) is only 12 minutes and he shows you where you can look at it using google maps or google earth. There's definitely land mass. It's just NW of Africa before the Atlantic fracture.

Ok, I just watched a fair bit of this first Carl Munck video. You can make any number into any other number you want then justify it by coming up with some kind of story behind why you are doing it. Which is what he is doing (apart when when he doesn't even bother coming up with an explination).

His math seems fine to me. He explains what he's doing very clearly. Can you be more specific?

[Jason Hendriks]

The most likely location of Atlantis is Plato's ass...

...that's where he seemed to pull the story from.

[Ogul]

Ok, I watched the video and it actually is pretty hilarious. He claimed that it's "proof" of Atlantis because he makes a number of random measurements between unrelated monuments using arbitrary modern units of measurement like feet and degrees of latitude and longitude that ancient people wouldn't have used. Also, he indicates that the land mass he found has the same shape as one in an old map, but the island he found is only a few KM across, while the one in the ancient map takes up the majority of the Atlantic ocean, so if we're to take anything from that map, we should take everything from it.

[steveuk]

Short of finding an inscription that reads, "This is Atlantis; you are here" there's never going to be a definitive location established.

The story of Atlantis is one of a group of legendary island stories which go back many thousands of years. In context (ie. when the stories were being told, 2,500-3,000 years ago) they served the same function as other creation/fall myths; they are about the price of complacency, decadence and hubris. Cautionary tales in part, but also explanations for things like the fact that present day life (at the time) wasn't perfect and full of divine intervention, along with old ruins, fossils etc. that had no other 'history' attached to them anymore.

That doesn't mean that there weren't older civilzations that inspired those stories but they were not "history" as we understand it. They were a more nebulous thing where academic and scientific rigour had not yet become codified. They were myths and while some myths were literally true, what mattered was that they contained true things about life and how to live it.

[Mike Cooper]

That's more or less what I thought. Stories about Atlantis and its "Lost Arts" are metaphorical, and more about what goes on in the human mind than about a specific place. We can imagine this perfect place, we seem to visit some magical semi-psychoactive place every night in our dreams, and may experience this sense of loss that the real world isnt like that. Its submerged beneath the reach of our conscious mind, and so on.

Saying you've figured out its coordinates on a map seems to be missing the point.

[steveuk]

The search for Atlantis works best as a Grail Quest. You're not looking for a physical goal, but a spiritual one. Not specifically religious even, just powerfully personal.

Having said that, I still love all of this sort of thing and thank Plato (or whoever) for a myth that has included wonders like this;



Genuinely.

Love it.

[Todd Gambrel]

Stargate Command put this issue to rest a while back, not sure why people are still talking about it.

[Lucian Von Dooom]

Ok, I watched the video and it actually is pretty hilarious. He claimed that it's "proof" of Atlantis because he makes a number of random measurements between unrelated monuments using arbitrary modern units of measurement like feet and degrees of latitude and longitude that ancient people wouldn't have used. Also, he indicates that the land mass he found has the same shape as one in an old map, but the island he found is only a few KM across, while the one in the ancient map takes up the majority of the Atlantic ocean, so if we're to take anything from that map, we should take everything from it.

I disagree, I think ancient civilizations were a lot more advanced than one might think. Ancient peoples used a lot of 'arbitrary modern units of measurement' in the creation of the pyramids and other great monuments, or do you chalk that up to coincidence? The Code explains how they did their measurements. I think that if ancient peoples knew astrology then they sure as shit knew the Earth was a sphere. Latitude and longitude aren't so far fetched. Also, Wilten explains that Kircher's map is enlarged. Seems plausible. I'm sure it's not the first time we've seen something exaggerated on a map for one reason or another. That doesn't kill it for me.

[Arjan Dirkse]

There is a core of truth in a lot of legends. I'm not sure why Atlantis got so famous, but I think there are a lot of different legends describing ancient civilizations that got destroyed. And obviously, there are many civilizations that were destroyed, that's historical fact.

I've been on Santorini, it's a stunning place. You can clearly see the vulcan's outline, and it's incredible to imagine how it must have been seeing the destruction of the original island:



Many of the settlements on the island lie on the edge of the caldera staring down into the sea-covered gaping hole where the largest part of the island was blown out into the stratosphere. It really felt eerie standing there, but that was probably due to my fear of heights as well. Anyway, it's obvious how such a place could have been the inspiration for the story.



The civilization on Santorini was probably the same as (or related to) the civilization on Crete, which is often called the Minoan civilization, although that definitely is not what they called themselves. They weren't Greek. There are lots of remains of Minoan civilization, like the labyrinth of Knossos with its awesome frescoes:




This is a fresco from Akrotiri on Santorini:



Yonaguni off the coast of Japan is also interesting.

Edited by Arjan Dirkse, 18 June 2012 - 01:27 PM.

[steveuk]

I disagree, I think ancient civilizations were a lot more advanced than one might think. Ancient peoples used a lot of 'arbitrary modern units of measurement' in the creation of the pyramids and other great monuments, or do you chalk that up to coincidence? The Code explains how they did their measurements. I think that if ancient peoples knew astrology then they sure as shit knew the Earth was a sphere. Latitude and longitude aren't so far fetched. Also, Wilten explains that Kircher's map is enlarged. Seems plausible. I'm sure it's not the first time we've seen something exaggerated on a map for one reason or another. That doesn't kill it for me.

Generically, I think each ancient civilization had its strengths and weaknesses and the brutal fact of history is that much has been lost over the millennia. Even between "ages" information was lost and re-invented repeatedly. It's the core argument for why movable type was the most important invention of all time because it radically increased the ease with which information could be copied, reducing the chance that it would die out altogether.

History has been described (by Magnus Magnusson) as 'the science fiction of the past'; a narrative created from bits of pieces, but in no way the entire story.

The issue then becomes, how do you create that narrative and how far should you go in filling in the gaps?

[Ogul]

I disagree, I think ancient civilizations were a lot more advanced than one might think.

Meh, advanced in some ways, and even a few manual tradecrafts they perfected to levels that we haven't bothered with, but while it would be really cool I doubt we'll discover any "wow" level of development in our ancient past, like flying cars or ipods. I love when those sorts of ideas are presented in fiction, but in real life I doubt we'll ever find a lost civilization that had progressed even as far as bronze age technology.

Ancient peoples used a lot of 'arbitrary modern units of measurement' in the creation of the pyramids and other great monuments, or do you chalk that up to coincidence?

They used their own forms of measurement, certainly, but they didn't use our forms of measurement, like feet or meridians, so saying that a given object is X number of meridians from a given point, and that this has some relevance to some ancient monument's measurements, or to say that it matters whether something is the same number of feet from something else as the value of the speed of light is complete nonsense. It'd be like me making up a unit of measurement called the "hollioo" that is exactly 2.37 feet long, and then saying that because My Little Ponies: Polo is Slavery is exactly 32 pages long, and there are 32 hoolioos in the length of the Sphinx's paw, clearing the author was sending us secret messages about the sphinx. Neither the Mayans nor the Egyptians measured anything in standard feet OR meridians.

I think that if ancient peoples knew astrology then they sure as shit knew the Earth was a sphere. Latitude and longitude aren't so far fetched.

No, but a 360 degree circle is. They could just as easily have decided that a circle could have 300 degrees, in which case a meridian would be hundreds of miles wider at the equator. Lines of lattritude are even more random and arbitrary, there are 66 of them from top to bottom, there could as easily be ten or a thousand.

Also, Wilten explains that Kircher's map is enlarged. Seems plausible. I'm sure it's not the first time we've seen something exaggerated on a map for one reason or another. That doesn't kill it for me.

I poked round a little but I couldn't find out where Kicher got his information to make that map. Does anyone say? I mean, he was apparently a very fanciful guy that made up a lot of nonsense in other fields, why are his "maps" of Atlantis considered more noteworthy thanhis idea that the Chinese were the sons of Ham and that Confucius was Moses, or how he "translated" Egyptian hieroglyphs in a way that made absolutely no sense?