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[steveuk]

Yeah, same here. I love the quiet tone of the trailer, there's a mood of desperation and fatalism in the face of a coming apocalypse. Very nice.

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People in my twitter feed were talking about how hilarious this trailer is, so I checked it out. I didn't think it was very funny but I could see where they were coming from. It does kind of seem like a spoof.

And it will be spoofed. Probably quite a lot.

I'm sure it'll be a good film, maybe even a great one, but it looks like a really cold, dark, desolate movie and that's counter programming for a summer blockbuster.

[Robert B]

I'm sure it'll be a good film, maybe even a great one, but it looks like a really cold, dark, desolate movie and that's counter programming for a summer blockbuster.

If the movie is as dark as the trailer is then I think it will make as much money as people were expecting. I personally wonder if it will be a fairly steep dropoff from TDK, as there will be far less repeat viewings and it won't be a movie that everyone HAS to see to just to be in the loop. I'll see it no matter what but personally this new trailer doesn't look good to me at all (I did like the football one from a few months ago).

Another weird thing about the dark tone is that each new trailer of this one just reveals more and more daylight scenes, with is a stark contrast to the earlier films. And perhaps part of the reason the trailers don't do a lot for me, and even come across as silly despite the ultraseriousness. Frame the world Gotham and the teeth-gritting Batman and Bane in a bright sunny day and it all just looks "off".

[Steve Sensible]

Another weird thing about the dark tone is that each new trailer of this one just reveals more and more daylight scenes...

The footage in the trailer may look different in the final movie though. Nolan shoots day-for-night quite a bit - a lot of the footage in Dark Knight was graded later to make it gloomier.

[Chris D]

I personally wonder if it will be a fairly steep dropoff from TDK, as there will be far less repeat viewings and it won't be a movie that everyone HAS to see to just to be in the loop.

Could happen. It's hard to tell if people will be interested in a Batman movie without The Joker. He was the big sell for TDK for many reasons, so people might not be nearly as interested in a Batman movie without a big name villain. I don't think a bleak tone will have much to do with people seeing it or not. It's not like TDK was a light hearted romp, after all. Tonally it doesn't look all that different from the other two movies, but this one might have a much more uplifting ending than the last one. Or it could be horribly depressing. But I think if there's a steep drop off from TDK it'll be because of the lack of Ledger. He just owned that movie.

[Robert B]

But I think if there's a steep drop off from TDK it'll be because of the lack of Ledger. He just owned that movie.

And not to take away from his performance, but his death sure didn't hurt the box office, as Whitney Houston's 2012 album sales would tell you.

[Adam Balson]

I was almost convinced that Joseph Gordon-Levitt would be playing the Joker at least once in this film. But the new trailer is making me think no. On the one hand it would have been awesome to have Batman confront Joker again or have Bane break him out or have Joker commend Bane from prison or whatever. But it would almost certainly have been in poor taste or Nolan felt it would be disrespectful to Ledger's performance to almost piggy-back off of it. And I don't know if it would have been a testament to Levitt's acting or an insult if he was hired to follow and mimic Ledger purely because he's no longer with us.

But I mean, come on, the resemblance is there. You could say they're brothers and I wouldn't argue:

[Johnny Henning]

True, they do look alike, but I think this Bane and the Joker are probably more opposites than Batman and Bane.

[craggy]

Paul Bettany should be Joker in the re-re-re-boot.

[Johnny Henning]

He'd be very good.

If this does cap Nolan's version and vision of the character, I'd like to see swing back from the gritty "realistic" take and something more wild and imaginative like what Morrison and Quitely did in the recent Batman and Robin run. I keep going back and reading that. It's one of my favorite versions of the character, and Bruce Wayne isn't in the vast majority of it.

It's a nice balance halfway between what you might call the Burton version and the Nolan version.

[Dave Wallace]

He'd be very good.

If this does cap Nolan's version and vision of the character, I'd like to see swing back from the gritty "realistic" take and something more wild and imaginative like what Morrison and Quitely did in the recent Batman and Robin run. I keep going back and reading that. It's one of my favorite versions of the character, and Bruce Wayne isn't in the vast majority of it.

It's a nice balance halfway between what you might call the Burton version and the Nolan version.

I was thinking along similar lines earlier today. Imagine if they did a Batman movie that managed to incorporate all different ideas from different takes on Batman (like Morrison's run does) - so you'd have all those trademark details from the 1960s tv show mixing with the kookyness of the Burton movies and the modernity Nolan's Gotham. The tone might be all over the place but it'd be an interesting mix. They could even build a reason for it into the plot (like the Planetary/Batman crossover).

[Chris D]

I was thinking along similar lines earlier today. Imagine if they did a Batman movie that managed to incorporate all different ideas from different takes on Batman (like Morrison's run does) - so you'd have all those trademark details from the 1960s tv show mixing with the kookyness of the Burton movies and the modernity Nolan's Gotham. The tone might be all over the place but it'd be an interesting mix. They could even build a reason for it into the plot (like the Planetary/Batman crossover).

I feel like that's an idea that can almost only work in the comics. Could be wrong, but I think general audiences would have a hard time accepting that kind of insanity. I suppose it would all be down to execution. But unless you're going to get Morrison to write it and David Lynch to direct it I feel like it would probably just come off as laughable.

[Johnny Henning]

Personally, I have a feeling that after Nolan's Batman, and maybe starting with Man of Steel, DC is definitely going to look at finding a positive and general tone for its superhero movies that would make a Justice League crossover film possible.

However, I think Green Lantern tried that and failed. It was sort of an attempt to do a DC character in the same mode as Spider-Man or
Iron Man.

I think its failure came down to the absence of a strong vision from the director. They didn't have a Raimi or Nolan (or Burton or even Favreau) who could really get into the character and his world.

I'm not entirely a fan of Snyder, but I think he could bring something to Superman. I don't know who would be good for the next Batman, though. Other than guys who've already done great superhero movies, I can't think of anyone new who might handle it. I guess I'd like to see Duncan Jones (Source Code) or Neil Berger (Limitless). They probably would've been better choices for Green Lantern, too.

[Dave Wallace]

Oh yeah, it wouldn't be successful. But I'd like it.

I feel like that's an idea that can almost only work in the comics. Could be wrong, but I think general audiences would have a hard time accepting that kind of insanity. I suppose it would all be down to execution. But unless you're going to get Morrison to write it and David Lynch to direct it I feel like it would probably just come off as laughable.

[Arjan Dirkse]

David Lynch directing a Batman movie is something from a dream, surely...

[Johnny Henning]

I was just reading how Cronenberg was originally going to direct TOTAL RECALL, and it reminded me how odd the history of cinema would be if some of the directors originally attached to some projects actually made them. It may just be the mood of the country at the time that made Tim Burton's BATMAN a hit and David Lynch's DUNE a bomb.

[Arjan Dirkse]

But Lynch's movies have never really been boxoffice gold.

BTW Cronenburg would be perfect to do a Hulk movie with Ruffalo.

[Christian U]

A Hulk movie directed by Cronenberg would be a very different animal to what we're used to. I'd love to see it, of course.

[Robert B]

Personally, I have a feeling that after Nolan's Batman, and maybe starting with Man of Steel, DC is definitely going to look at finding a positive and general tone for its superhero movies that would make a Justice League crossover film possible.

However, I think Green Lantern tried that and failed. It was sort of an attempt to do a DC character in the same mode as Spider-Man or
Iron Man.

I think its failure came down to the absence of a strong vision from the director. They didn't have a Raimi or Nolan (or Burton or even Favreau) who could really get into the character and his world.

I'm not entirely a fan of Snyder, but I think he could bring something to Superman. I don't know who would be good for the next Batman, though. Other than guys who've already done great superhero movies, I can't think of anyone new who might handle it. I guess I'd like to see Duncan Jones (Source Code) or Neil Berger (Limitless). They probably would've been better choices for Green Lantern, too.

To be fair, Green Lantern is such a dumb character. You can't really fault the public for having taste.

I don't really see a JLA movie happening, but I'd like to see them try.

[Steve Sensible]

To be fair, Green Lantern is such a dumb character.

Is it really any more dumb than any other superhero? I think you could make a decent Green Lantern movie - they just failed to do so.

[Robert B]

Is it really any more dumb than any other superhero?

Yes.

EDIT: I agree there can be good stories with him and there could have been a good movie about him. I think he's a way tougher sell on mainstream audiences though.

Edited by Robert B, 05 May 2012 - 12:50 PM.