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[David Meadows]

The thing is, they're all saying "justice is now done". Well... yes, maybe.

All this shows is that a new coroner has given a different opinion to every other coroner they have appealed to over the last 30 years. There's no reason to assume he knows any better than the rest. Ask enough people the and you're bound to find one that agrees with you.

I hope that justice really has been done and they are innocent. But there's really no way to know.

It's not even a consensus opinion. Twenty (or however many) appeals found them guilty, one appeal found them innocent, so now they're innocent. That's an inherently flawed system, really.

[Will]

The thing is, they're all saying "justice is now done". Well... yes, maybe.

All this shows is that a new coroner has given a different opinion to every other coroner they have appealed to over the last 30 years. There's no reason to assume he knows any better than the rest. Ask enough people the and you're bound to find one that agrees with you.

I hope that justice really has been done and they are innocent. But there's really no way to know.

It's not even a consensus opinion. Twenty (or however many) appeals found them guilty, one appeal found them innocent, so now they're innocent. That's an inherently flawed system, really.

Exactly. There have been no advances in biotechnology or forensic science in the past thirty years at all.

[Arjan Dirkse]

They made a film about it:

And a joke on Seinfeld

[jamon g]

Exactly. There have been no advances in biotechnology or forensic science in the past thirty years at all.

actually it was a paper review. not forensic.
Another paper review was done a number of years ago which left an open finding on the death, and a not guilty on the murder. They wanted a finding of dingo death.

[David Meadows]

Exactly. There have been no advances in biotechnology or forensic science in the past thirty years at all.

I honestly can't tell if that's sarcasm or not.

Edited by David Meadows, 13 June 2012 - 01:27 PM.

[jamon g]

it is, but Will didn't read the article.
a dingo going into a tent, taking a baby (they're small to medium sized dogs) carrying it four kilometres away before eating it and leaving the clothes in a pile with minimal damage to the material is pretty unlikely.
Similarly Lindy sneaking off from her other child, trekking four km's into the bush, killing the baby, leaving the clothes and trekking back without anyone noticing is equally ridiculous. The open finding was much more stable.

[Chris Fenton]

I would have said it was pretty unlikely that the Dingo went in the tent but last year there was a story about a baby being attacked by a fox that had snuck into the house and made it's way to the babies crib...

[Arjan Dirkse]

The "unlikely" argument is always a bit problematic. Murder in itself is unlikely, I mean statistically there are very few mothers who kill their babies.

[Will]

it is, but Will didn't read the article.
a dingo going into a tent, taking a baby (they're small to medium sized dogs) carrying it four kilometres away before eating it and leaving the clothes in a pile with minimal damage to the material is pretty unlikely.
Similarly Lindy sneaking off from her other child, trekking four km's into the bush, killing the baby, leaving the clothes and trekking back without anyone noticing is equally ridiculous. The open finding was much more stable.

I did read the article and a few others, as evidenced by the simple fact that I know the new coroner is female, not male.

But you missed my point. Meadows stated there is "...no reason to assume he knows any better than the rest (the other coroners across 30 years)."

My point, and yes David I was being sarcastic, is there have been many advances in biotechnology, medicine, forensic science, etc that shed new light in legal cases. I could be wrong in assuming this new coroner probably consulted new information to reach her decision but I doubt it.

[Johnny Henning]

Pardon me? But would this be te thread where one might bring up the bizarre topic of 'bath salts'?

Designer drugs that apparently turn you into a superhuman madman desirous of consuming human facial flesh. Basically today's version of what 'angel dust' was in the 80's.

[garjones]

I wonder if the drug really caused that or was the guy taking it just nuts anyway?

I don't know but the description just looks like a different type of amphetamine to me.

[stephanie familiar]

the tragedy about this case aside from the fact that a man nearly died in the most horrific of ways, is the way people are talking about it. it was not a zombie attack people, it's not something to laugh about or joke about, so shut the fuck up and show some respect.


um, by "people" i don't mean you guys, by the way.

[Lucian Von Dooom]

I wonder if the drug really caused that or was the guy taking it just nuts anyway?

I don't know but the description just looks like a different type of amphetamine to me.

It's completely possible that the drug caused it. The most halucinations I've ever had were from smoking crack. Not LSD, DM, or mushrooms, but crack. (huh huh, 'butt crack'). DMT was more powerful but in a very different way. I've never tried bath salts but I'm fairly certain it can cause extremely strong auditory and visual halucinations. It is a synthetic cocaine after all. It can make you think some pretty crazy shit. I won't go into detail but I don't doubt for a second that this drug would be strong enough to make people lose their minds.

Note: I do not condone doing drugs. Just speaking from experience. I'm a fitness nut now. This was in my younger years.

[Johnny Henning]

the tragedy about this case aside from the fact that a man nearly died in the most horrific of ways, is the way people are talking about it. it was not a zombie attack people, it's not something to laugh about or joke about, so shut the fuck up and show some respect.


um, by "people" i don't mean you guys, by the way.

True - on the other hand, if "Zombie attack" wasn't mentioned all over the place, I probably never would've noticed this story.

In a lot of ways, I have to agree with Joan Rivers, though.
http://cnnpressroom....ad-life-can-be/

I think you must laugh at everything. Life is so terribly sad. Cooper just had a friend that's got cancer. He’s an 11-year-old boy. Right below the surface, life is so sad that if we don't laugh - look at me. We just die. Laugh at everything. I don't care. If you're alive, you better start laughing.

A lot of these jokes are just the way a lot of people deal with horrible and scary things. So, let 'em laugh.

[Arjan Dirkse]

It's a blurry line. We even joke about World War 2 nowadays, but I wouldn't joke about that when talking to an Auschwitz survivor of course.

[jamon g]

i would

[Will]

My, how classy of you.

[Arjan Dirkse]

i would

Oh now you must go sit in the troll corner you naughty boy.

[Russell H]

Depends on the person, the relationship you have with them - and the joke.

[stephanie familiar]

Montreal teacher fired for showing alleged Luka Rocco Magnotta dismember-slay video

(CBS/AP) MONTREAL - A Montreal teacher was fired Thursday after showing high school students a video that police believe shows the slaying and dismembering of a Chinese student by Canadian porn star Luka Magnotta.

The board of Cavelier-De LaSalle High School has called the teacher's behavior inappropriate and offensive.

"This decision follows an investigation by the CSMB [the school board], which took into account the seriousness of the action, the impact on the students involved, the human factor, as well as the standards provided for teachers' collective agreements," the school board said in a statement about the firing on Thursday, reports ABC News.

"The teacher's unacceptable behavior demanded action unequivocally," the president of the board, Diane Lamarche-Venne, said in a statement, according to ABC News.

Police suspect Magnotta of killing Jun Lin and posting a video online that shows him stabbing and having sex with the dismembered corpse. The case drew national attention when Lin's body parts were mailed to the headquarters of two of Canada's main political parties, and provoked an international manhunt when the suspect fled to Europe. Magnotta was caught Berlin last week and is facing extradition.

Montreal police said Wednesday that DNA results confirmed that two body parts mailed to two Vancouver schools last week belong to Lin. His head is still missing.

The teacher was suspended with pay on June 4, the same day he showed the video.

Staff at the school said that a team of psychologists was available to deal with any problems. The teacher's name was not released.

The video is so disturbing that, according to Montreal police, even seasoned detectives who watched it were troubled.

The teacher, whom one student described as being in his 20s, had been under contract to teach a 10th-grade history and citizenship education class through the end of the year.

Education Minister Michelle Courchesne criticized the teacher.

"It's horrifying," Courchesne told reporters in Quebec City. "It's a very, very serious and total lack of judgment. I don't see any educational value in that."